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Offline TXMike

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Clock Issue
« on: November 13, 2011, 06:00:00 PM »
Team A runs for a 1st down and is tackled in bounds.  Clock is stopped at 8:42 for the 1st down.  The ball is down and ready to go with :25 left on play clock but game clock does not start again until there is :21 left.  Game clock starts but stops for some reason at 8:40 while play clock continues to run.  A is trying to milk clock as they have a 13 point lead.   There are :05 secs left on play clock when S shuts things down and runs into the R.  A discussion ensues and R orders clock set to 8:30, play clock to :25 and announces game clock will start on the snap.  Correct handling?

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 07:05:16 PM »
I saw the game in question on TV and thought that it was handled properly albeit in a rather mucked up fashion.

Now as to whether or not it was handled correctly?  I've no bloody idea. ???
Personally, I would've reset the game clock to the time at which the last play ended, reset the play clock and started both with the RFP.
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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 07:08:54 PM »
Oregon/Stanford, right.

Looked very strange - especially as a Federation official; but the part I couldn't understand was why the R did not start the game clock on the RFP.  The Oregon coach (I think) was asking the same question...

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 07:43:55 PM »
I saw the game in question on TV and thought that it was handled properly albeit in a rather mucked up fashion.

Now as to whether or not it was handled correctly?  I've no bloody idea. ???
Personally, I would've reset the game clock to the time at which the last play ended, reset the play clock and started both with the RFP.

How do you know on the field what time was on the clock when the 1st down play ended?  That's the problem.  If it were later in a close game, the S checks everything all the time but even then with hurry up offenses, it's often impossible to get everything memorized and/or written down.   Without that knowledge, you really can't go back to square one and start over.

TV shows the clock stopped at 8:42 for the 1st down.  It obviously wasn't started on time because the offense is up over the ball and it hasn't started yet.  As we know, in NCAA the R winds once the ball is spotted well before the offense, even this offense, is up over the ball.  At this point we don't see the play clock on TV.  Then on TV the game clock is finally started but is inexplicably stopped at 8:40 forcing the S to come in and discuss with the R resulting in the adjustment.  So the game clock didn't start on time and when it started it was incorrectly stopped, two separate clock operator issues!  Now where are you?

After the adjustment if the game clock is started on the ready, the offense could potentially use almost 60 seconds off the game clock without snapping the ball!   The original 40 down to 5, then another 24.  Not fair to the defense.

Then TV shows even after resetting the play clock to 25 and trying to get a play off, the play clock didn't start confusing the offense forcing another reset.

The games are hard enough without game and play clock goof ups and the fix it discussions, etc. will always look like a cluster.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2011, 07:51:33 PM by zebra99 »

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 08:14:31 PM »
Happens to us in HS games all the times..an inattentive clock operator can make the entire crew look like doggie pooh.  The rules are clear about what to do when we have positive knowledge of correct clock status but what about when we don't?  Not so clear.

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 08:34:28 PM »
How do you know on the field what time was on the clock when the 1st down play ended?  That's the problem. 

In all reality, with as high a profile game as it was, wouldn't the replay officials be able to go back and look at that?  I would only seem logical to go to them for that considering that they can be used to get accurate spots etc.
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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 04:52:29 AM »
With more than half the 4th quarter to go, I'd be inclined to say "just do something, quick and confident".

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 08:31:37 AM »
Why would it not be 8:42, :25 and RFP?

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 10:27:04 AM »
Why would it not be 8:42, :25 and RFP?

because that would give the offense another 24 seconds in addition to what they may have already used running the game clock down when they're trying to milk the clock - unfair to the defense.  If it was known on the field exactly when the previous play ended, then it would be easy to reset everything and start over.

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2011, 10:29:43 AM »
In all reality, with as high a profile game as it was, wouldn't the replay officials be able to go back and look at that?  I would only seem logical to go to them for that considering that they can be used to get accurate spots etc.

agree if a closer score and not much time left.

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Re: Clock Issue
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 11:10:27 AM »
As I've told some others, the way it was handled sure seems reasonable to me. A gets to burn some time that they would have been able to do, but they don't get a full extra 25 seconds to burn. While the math may not add up perfectly, the result is not something that had a game changing impact. Why get replay involved? Perhaps one day when actual play and game clocks are permanently superimposed on every video angle, making it possible to reliably arrive at 'positive knowledge' of game and play clock time, we can. But, 'til then, we have to make decisions like this on the field. This was a reasonable decision.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2011, 03:19:45 PM by El Macman »