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Offline JasonTX

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« on: November 13, 2011, 07:06:23 PM »
Does anyone have a video of the 2 pt conversion play in the game this weekend with Souther Miss.  I did not see it, but a friend of mine tells me that a player with an ineligible number caught the pass.  Anyone see this?

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 07:14:46 PM »
Man you gotta get this stuff up earlier.  I think the game has already been replayed so I did not snag it.  Box score shows a Lamar Holmes (72) caught a 2 point conversion pass

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 07:25:38 PM »
« Last Edit: November 13, 2011, 07:30:15 PM by TXMike »

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 07:36:22 PM »
Man you gotta get this stuff up earlier.  I think the game has already been replayed so I did not snag it.  Box score shows a Lamar Holmes (72) caught a 2 point conversion pass

That is what the scoring summary says, but it is dead wrong.  Holmes RUSHED for a 2 point conversion.  Unless touched by the defense (and this wasn't), #72 can't catch a PASS.

Statistically (which is what counts in the boxx score), a "backward pass" is not a PASS, but a RUSH.

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 08:57:56 PM »
Good video.  It is backwards.  I sent him the link so he can see it.  As he was describing on the phone I thought for sure we had some major controversy if they allowed 72 to catch a forward pass.

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 09:48:21 PM »
That is what the scoring summary says, but it is dead wrong.  Holmes RUSHED for a 2 point conversion.  Unless touched by the defense (and this wasn't), #72 can't catch a PASS.

Statistically (which is what counts in the boxx score), a "backward pass" is not a PASS, but a RUSH.

AB, that might be right in the world of statistics, but in the world of officiating, it was definitely a pass.  Rule 2-19-1 in the NCAA book says, "Passing the ball is throwing it.  A pass continues to be a pss until it is caught or intercepted by a player or the ball becomes dead."

It mentions nothing of whether it has to be forward or backward to be a "pass."   ;D

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 09:57:15 PM »
Wellll.....let's take this even further....by definition this was a "running play"   2-30-4

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 10:07:50 PM »
AB, that might be right in the world of statistics, but in the world of officiating, it was definitely a pass.  Rule 2-19-1 in the NCAA book says, "Passing the ball is throwing it.  A pass continues to be a pss until it is caught or intercepted by a player or the ball becomes dead."

It mentions nothing of whether it has to be forward or backward to be a "pass."   ;D

I understand that in officiating, there is such a thing as a backward pass.  I also understand it is commonly (and mistakenly) called a latteral.

But I also understand that the NCAA does not recognize backward passes as "passes".  For all record keeping, including passing and scoring records, stats, and reporting, "passes" can only be forward, which makes #72 ineligible to catch one.

Holmes did NOT "score a conversion on a pass".  He successfully RUSHED a conversion.

There are other differences.  An example:  #2 back to receive a punt (excuse me, a scrimmage kick).  Ball comes down and bounces off his head, and the kicking team recovered.  To an official, that's a muff.  But in the NCAA records, that's a fumble.

You can mark half the distance penalties in fractions of a yard, but they are only recorded in full yards.  Even a properly marked 5 yard penalty can sometimes only count for 4.  EXAMPLE:  Georgia rushes the ball inside the 1.  Since it can't be on the 0 yard line, it must be on the 1.  The offensive tackle jumps the snap, false start.  Ball is moved back to the 5.5 yard line.  Since we count the advance yard line once the ball is no longer touching the previous yard line, the ball is now on the 5, and you just marked off a 4 yard penalty!

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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 05:45:59 AM »
...... the world of officiating, it was definitely a pass.  Rule 2-19-1 in the NCAA book says, "Passing the ball is throwing it.  A pass continues to be a pass until it is caught or intercepted by a player or the ball becomes dead."

It mentions nothing of whether it has to be forward or backward to be a "pass."   ;D

Wellll.....let's take this even further....by definition this was a "running play"   2-30-4

We're not implying that the NCAA Rulebook has any ambiguities are we?   ;D
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Re: Southern Miss
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2011, 11:34:59 AM »
7-3-3 Says "Eligibility to Touch Legal FORWARD Pass" and then gives the numbers we're all accustomed to seeing. I see no restriction for anyone who cant catch a BACKWARD pass.