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[Watson]

A is in scrimmage kick formation. B55 bowls over snapper A50 before one second has elapsed. Punter A10 runs or passes. Is this roughing the snapper? If so, what is enforcement spot? Thanks.

[El Macman]

If they snap from a SKF, its a foul, regardless if Team A kicks, runs, or passes the ball.

This is a personal foul, with Basic Spot / 3 & 1 enforcement, so exact enforcement depends on what happens on the play.

[TxSkyBolt]

No blood, no foul is the way we've been instructed to officiate this.

[Watson]

If they snap from a SKF, its a foul, regardless if Team A kicks, runs, or passes the ball.

This is a personal foul, with Basic Spot / 3 & 1 enforcement, so exact enforcement depends on what happens on the play.

No doubting you but need theory here. Why 3&1? Why wouldn't this be previous spot like roughing the kicker? Obviously not PSK because it happens at the line.

[El Macman]

No doubting you but need theory here. Why 3&1? Why wouldn't this be previous spot like roughing the kicker? Obviously not PSK because it happens at the line.

Roughing the kicker can only happen during a kick play, so the Basic Spot - and, ultimately, the enforcement spot - for roughing the kicker is, indeed, the Previous Spot.

For other personal fouls, the Previous Spot could be the enforcement spot, but it might be some other spot.

4/10, 50. A is in a standard punt formation, with A11 some 13 yards deep, clearly a SKF. Immediately after A55 snaps the ball, B99 blocks A55 to the ground (foul). A11 receives the snap and throws a legal forward pass to A88 who catches the pass and advances and runs OB at the be B-39. The Basic Spot for this personal foul is the Previous Spot, because it occurred during a pass play. Since it is a foul by B, application of the 3 & 1 principle at the Basic Spot yields enforcement of the penalty from the Basic Spot, 15 yards, first down. A, 1/10, B-35.
 
4/10, 50. A is in a standard punt formation, with A11 some 13 yards deep, clearly a SKF. Immediately after A55 snaps the ball, B99 blocks A55 to the ground (foul). A11 receives the snap, advances and runs OB at the B-35. The Basic Spot for this personal foul is the end of the related run, because it occurred during a running play. The related run is A11's run, which ended at the B-35, so the Basic Spot is  the B-35. Since it is a foul by B, application of the 3 & 1 principle at the Basic Spot yields enforcement of the penalty from the Basic Spot, 15 yards, first down. A, 1/10, B-20.


 

[Watson]

Roughing the kicker can only happen during a kick play, so the Basic Spot - and, ultimately, the enforcement spot - for roughing the kicker is, indeed, the Previous Spot.

For other personal fouls, the Previous Spot could be the enforcement spot, but it might be some other spot.

4/10, 50. A is in a standard punt formation, with A11 some 13 yards deep, clearly a SKF. Immediately after A55 snaps the ball, B99 blocks A55 to the ground (foul). A11 receives the snap and throws a legal forward pass to A88 who catches the pass and advances and runs OB at the be B-39. The Basic Spot for this personal foul is the Previous Spot, because it occurred during a pass play. Since it is a foul by B, application of the 3 & 1 principle at the Basic Spot yields enforcement of the penalty from the Basic Spot, 15 yards, first down. A, 1/10, B-35.
 
4/10, 50. A is in a standard punt formation, with A11 some 13 yards deep, clearly a SKF. Immediately after A55 snaps the ball, B99 blocks A55 to the ground (foul). A11 receives the snap, advances and runs OB at the B-35. The Basic Spot for this personal foul is the end of the related run, because it occurred during a running play. The related run is A11's run, which ended at the B-35, so the Basic Spot is  the B-35. Since it is a foul by B, application of the 3 & 1 principle at the Basic Spot yields enforcement of the penalty from the Basic Spot, 15 yards, first down. A, 1/10, B-20.


 

Ahhh. Makes sense. Thanks much. Well done.