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Offline dch

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Forward Pass -- forward progress situations (not carried)
« on: August 07, 2013, 11:00:21 PM »
In the following situations it is 2nd and 8 at the A 32 yd-line.  A86 runs a 10 yard button-hook, jumps straight up and controls/possesses the forward pass.  While he is still airborne, B27 contacts him and knocks him back 3 yards toward the line of scrimmage.  Please rule on each of the following when A86:
1)   Loses control of the ball as he contacts the ground.   ^no
2)   Maintains control of the ball as he contacts the ground at the A 39 yd-line with the side of his body.
3)   Juggles the ball upon contact but regains control as he falls to the ground at the A 39 yd-line.
4)   Maintains control of the ball as he lands on his feet.  He then turns to run and gains an additional 8 yards to the A 47 yd-line.
5)   Maintains control of the ball as he lands on his feet.  He then turns to run, gives ground and is tackled 2 yards further back at the A 37 yd-line.
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6)   Then consider that it is 2nd and goal from the B 9 yd-line.  A86 jumps straight up (1 yard in the end zone) and similar to situation 5) above, he is knocked back to the 2 yd-line, lands on his feet, gives ground and is tackled at the 5 yard line.
7)   Again 2nd and goal from the B 9.  A86 controls the ball while airborne in the end zone, but juggles it upon contact with B27.  A86 regains control as he falls to the ground at the 2 yd-line.

Of course some of these are very straight forward.  Others ---  maybe not so much.

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Re: Forward Pass -- forward progress situations (not carried)
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 06:31:15 AM »
1. Incomplete
2. If he maintains control through contact with the ground and he lands inbounds, it is a catch, 1/10 @ A42, clock on RFP.
3. Catch, 3/1 @ A39, clock running.
4. Catch, 1/10 @ A47, clock on RFP.
5. Catch; if "gives ground" means "runs backward," then it will be 3/3 @ A37, clock running.
6. Catch; if the receiver had possession in the EZ (in the air) and completed the catch by landing inbounds (anywhere), then it is a TD.
7. If he regains possession while the ball is still in the EZ, TD. Otherwise, the forward progress spot will be where he gained possession, not where he touched the ground (unless those are the same).

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Re: Forward Pass -- forward progress situations (not carried)
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2013, 01:29:17 PM »
Should rule 2-15-2 be considered in situation 5?

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Re: Forward Pass -- forward progress situations (not carried)
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2013, 02:06:26 PM »
If he were tackled immediately after being contacted in the air, I'd factor in 2-15-2.  If he lands, and then voluntarily starts giving up ground to try and gain some more yards, I'm working under 2-15-1.

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Re: Forward Pass -- forward progress situations (not carried)
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 07:26:33 PM »
It is 2nd and 8 at the A 32 yd-line.  A86 runs a 10 yard button-hook, jumps straight up and controls/possesses the forward pass.  While he is still airborne, B27 contacts him and is carrying A86 back toward the line of scrimmage. They are inbounds, moving toward the sideline, and when "somebody" (who is a member of the officiating crew) blows the whistle. (Ouch!) Ruling?

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Re: Forward Pass -- forward progress situations (not carried)
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 08:48:26 PM »
While I question how he can be "carried back toward the LOS" and be "moving toward the sideline" all at the same time, I've got 1/10 A-42 based on your play description. Clock starts on the ready.
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Re: Forward Pass -- forward progress situations (not carried)
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2013, 09:05:00 PM »
While I question how he can be "carried back toward the LOS" and be "moving toward the sideline" all at the same time, I've got 1/10 A-42 based on your play description. Clock starts on the ready.

Poor description on my part. If "backwards" means parallel to the sideline and sideways means perpendicular to the sideline, then backward toward the LOS and toward the sideline is on a diagonal toward the sideline.  I agree with progress and inbounds.