OT procedure

[cbrunnjo]

Overtime Period

On the first Offensive series, 1st and Goal at the 10 yd line.  On the first play, the Offense false starts, 5 yd penalty, remains 1st and Goal at the 15 yd line.  On the next play, the QB fumbles the ball and the Defense returns the ball for a TD.  What's the call?

[Legacy Zebra]

I'm not sure why there's a question here. Sounds like you've got a touchdown for B and the game is over.

Edit: Forgot I was in NFHS section. Might be a different ruling.

[Curious]

No "call" to make...blow your whistle.  The defense does not score!  The ball becomes dead, and A's series ends, when B gets possession.  B's ball 1st and goal from the 10 yard line.

[Legacy Zebra]

Sorry about the "false start". Like I said, thought I was on a different board for a second.

[cbrunnjo]

Where can I find the reference for this at? What rule or page? 

[Atlanta Blue]

Where can I find the reference for this at? What rule or page?

IF your state follows the NFHS Overtime Procedure (and not all do), it's 5-1-1 of the OT rules, pg 82 in the current book:

5-1-1: To start the overtime, the offensive team shall put the ball in play, first and goal, on the defensive team's 10-yard line or succeeding spot if carry-over penalty has been administered (15-yard line for six-player football) anywhere between the hash marks. The first offensive team shall have a series of four downs.  That series shall be terminated by any score by the offensive team or if the defensive team has possession  of the ball

[JKinGA29]

Also a couple paragraphs down from that, it clarifies even further that "If the defensive team gains possession, the ball becomes dead immediately and the offensive team’s
series of downs is ended."

[cbrunnjo]

 The rule on page 82 Resolving Tie Games begins (paragraph 2, second sentence), "an overtime period may include only one offensive series of downs, if the Defensive team scores a Safety or TD." 
I agree with your analysis the 5-1-1 states "if the Defensive team gains possession, the ball immediately becomes dead..." (which is clearly contradictory to the paragraph above and again further in 8-1) "if the Defense scores a Safety or TD, the game has ended."

[Rulesman]

Not contradictory at all, although a highly unlikely scenario.

[maven]

If the B gains possession in the field of play or their own EZ, the ball is dead and they may not advance. If they gain possession in A's EZ, the TD counts and OT is ended.


maven

[prab]

Wisconsin has adopted the NCAA 25 yard line OT procedure, so the defense can score after gaining possession and this question does not come up.  I don't know whether the NFHS OT procedure is better or worse that the NCAA procedure, but the NCAA procedure does seem to make the OT rules on change of possession a bit closer to the rules used during the rest of the game.

[HLinNC]

I don't think the Fed wants OT to mimic regular game play.  I think they desire a quick resolution with a procedure to resolve the tie game as quickly as they can without wiping the players out.

[Mad Mike]

Question about OT. I am not certain the reference in "a" below is correct.

On Page 83 of the NFHS book, under 5-2-1, it states: "The offensive team shall be awarded a new series of downs when any one of the following occurs:

a. Penalty for defensive pass interference is accepted.
b. Offensive team recovers a scrimmage kick (field-goal attempt) between the goal lines after it has been touched first by the defensive team beyond the neutral zone.
c. Defensive team is guilty of roughing the kicker, place-kick holder, snapper or passer.

If you read further for 3.1.1 SITUATION G: In overtime play with third and goal from B's 4-yard line, B1 interferes during a forward pass. Ruling: If the penalty is accepted it will be third and goal for A on B's 2 yard line.

This clearly suggests the offense gets yardage and a repeat of the down, but not an automatic first down.

Yet, go a little further to 3.1.1 SITUATION P: In overtime play with fourth and goal from B's 24-yard line, B1 interferes during a legal forward pass. RULING: First down and goal for A on the 12-yard line if the penalty is accepted.

Can anybody explain what is going on here? Did the Federation simply fail to edit some changes that eliminate automatic first down for defensive pass interference?

[Rulesman]

Did the Federation simply fail to edit some changes that eliminate automatic first down for defensive pass interference?

Bingo!