Team B Foul prior to change of possession - clock status

[rmccau7514]

Here is the play

A's Ball 1 & 10 @ B20
B55 is offside at the snap.  A20 runs sweep and fumbles @ A23.  B55 picks up fumble and runs it back for a touchdown. 

Now I know the ruling is
A's Ball 1 & 5 @ B15, but my questions is about the clock status. 


Similar AR's

A.R. 3.3.2.III
Third and four. Team A’s pass is intercepted by B1, who is downed
inbounds. B2 was offside during the play. RULING: Team A’s ball. First
and 10. The clock starts on the referee’s signal. Although the clock was
stopped to award Team B a first down, Team B will not next snap the
ball.

A.R. 3.3.2.V 
Late in the second or fourth quarter, Team A has second and eight. B44
intercepts a legal forward pass and carries the ball out of bounds. B79 is
in the neutral zone at the snap. When the game clock is stopped it reads
(a) 2:00, or (b) 1:59. RULING: Team A accepts the penalty and retains
possession of the ball. In both (a) and (b) the game clock starts on the
referee’s signal, because Team B will not next snap the ball. 

I know these AR's are not the same as the touchdown, but in both cases, the result of the play without a penalty would have been clock starts on the snap.  And in this AR, the clock starts on the ready.
Let me know what the clock status should be. 

Ryan

[wlemonnier]

If there is a change of team possession and the resulting penalty gives the ball back to Team A, you start the clock on the ready for play.  It's as if the change of possession never happened due to the penalty enforcement.  It no longer is what we used to refer to as a "major clock stopper".

Basically if you have a touchdown, touchback or safety and the penalty enforcement results in the down being replayed for Team A, you start the clock on the snap... these are still "major clock stoppers".

[Kalle]

If there is a change of team possession and the resulting penalty gives the ball back to Team A, you start the clock on the ready for play.  It's as if the change of possession never happened due to the penalty enforcement.  It no longer is what we used to refer to as a "major clock stopper".

But, if the COP "disappears" due to the penalty enforcement, doesn't that mean that a TD by team B also "disappears", and we would thus start the clock on the ready?

Is there a RR ruling on this particular play situation?

[rmccau7514]

Thanks.  I like the term "Major clock stopper".  Great way to categorize timing rules.

[NVFOA_Ump]

But, if the COP "disappears" due to the penalty enforcement, doesn't that mean that a TD by team B also "disappears", and we would thus start the clock on the ready?

Is there a RR ruling on this particular play situation?

I'm pretty sure that the Rule 3 "after a score" language still requires that when a down is repeated following a score by either team the clock starts on the snap.  I can't find any guidance to the contrary.

Rule 3-3-2-c. After a Score. The game clock shall stop on an officials signal after a touchdown, field goal or safety. It shall be started again as in (a) above (Note - "(a) above" refers to a free kick) unless the down is repeated, in which case it shall be started when the ball is legally snapped.

[Johnponz]

COP does not disappear rather the rule says (3-2-d) the clock starts on the snap when team B is awarded a first down and will next snap the ball (emphasis added)

c. covers after a score and says "After a Score. The game clock shall stop on an official's signal after a touchdown, field goal or safety. It shall be started again as in (a) above unless the down is repeated, in which case it shall be started when the ball is legally snapped."

When in doubt read the rules.

[Kalle]

When in doubt read the rules.

+1

I was still in the 2008 rule language. The 2009 rule change cleared this problem up.