PAT/Extra Point Kick

[Arbitrator]

 

Should the NCAA join the NFL in discussing the elimination of the PAT kick, awarding 7 points for a TD and accordingly make PAT attempts have to be by a run or a pass awarding 1 point for a successful attempt! 

[Etref]

Depends, if I am R and they block it and run one back, then yeah I want to do away with them.

If I am working U, doesn't really matter......................

[younggun]

If any change is made, maybe move it back. I do not think they should do away with it.

[Arbitrator]

 

I would say just move the PAT line from the 3 to the 10, and keep everything as is.

Additionally, I'd love to see the NFL adopt the NCAA rule of running a PAT attempt back for a 2 point TD!   

[Etref]

Some of the lower levels in UIL it is an adventure at 3 yards.

[Legacy Zebra]

Some of the lower levels in UIL it is an adventure at 3 yards.

I worked a sixman game this last season with a team that had more trouble than I've seen. Out of 5 PAT kicks, one hit the snapper in the leg, one was blocked, the third and closest nearly took my L's head off under the upright, the fourth died at my feet (I was the H on the LOS), the fifth and final kick failed to make it back to the LOS untouched by either team.

[Cowman52]

Bring back the drop kick, do away with holder.

[Sonofanump]

1) I don't find it automatic (99.6%) like the NFL.
2) The biggest problem is during TV games, a TV timeout after the PAT, then kickoff, then TV timeout again before the first scrimmage play.

[Magician]

1) I don't find it automatic (99.6%) like the NFL.
2) The biggest problem is during TV games, a TV timeout after the PAT, then kickoff, then TV timeout again before the first scrimmage play.

If they got rid of the XPT they would have a TV timeout after the PAT, then kickoff, then TV timeout again before the first scrimmage play.  The only difference is the time to complete the XPT.  That's probably no more than 45 seconds.

[James]

I think that there is already very little use of the foot in a sport named football.

What could we do to bring it back more - maybe like Aussie football, we could do away with the forward pass and have a forward kick, and if the ball has traveled more than 10 yards the guy who catches the ball can either declare it as a fair catch, or can play on and run with the ball.

[TXMike]

They interviewed Redding on it:  http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/01/nfl_could_eliminate_the_extra.html

[Arbitrator]

 

Since the NFL is looking at changing rules, why not give 4 points for field goals of 50 yards or more! Now that would literally put the "foot" back into football! 

[Rulesman]

Since the NFL is looking at changing rules, why not give 4 points for field goals of 50 yards or more! Now that would literally put the "foot" back into football! 

...or 2 points from anything inside the 20. Might as well go all the way.

[Andrew McCarthy]

The problem with awarding more points for longer field goals is you would have teams intentionally taking a loss of yardage to try to gain the advantage of a longer attempt.  This goes against the basic fundamentals of the game.

[busman]

That happens now when you take an intentional delay penalty so you can punt from farther back.

[Rulesman]

That happens now when you take an intentional delay penalty so you can punt from farther back.

Clint Conque taught me (in a TV game) those penalties can always be declined. Trying to enforce something he wanted to decline TWICE made a believer of me to slowwwww down.

[Arbitrator]

...or 2 points from anything inside the 20. Might as well go all the way.

The problem with awarding more points for longer field goals is you would have teams intentionally taking a loss of yardage to try to gain the advantage of a longer attempt.  This goes against the basic fundamentals of the game.

   Frankly, I love the idea of having a 2, 3, or a 4 point FG! All that you really need to do is put a rule in place that dictates where the initial possession of the ball is gained largely determines what field goal values a team can be assigned. For instance:

i. e. If Team A puts the ball in play anywhere in their own end of the field up to any point short of the Team B 40 yard line; and after having run a series of plays, subsequently fails to penetrate the Team B 40 yard line, then they could attempt a 4-point FG. If they do not penetrate the Team B 20 yard line, then they could attempt a 3-point FG. Penetrating the Team B 20, they could only try a 2-point FG. Once penetration had been made to any of those demarcation lines, the field goal value would only be the minimum allowed, regardless of where the field goal may be attempted from. 

[Rulesman]

  Frankly, I love the idea of having a 2, 3, or a 4 point FG! All that you really need to do is put a rule in place that dictates where the initial possession of the ball is gained largely determines what field goal values a team can be assigned. For instance:

i. e. If Team A puts the ball in play anywhere in their own end of the field up to any point short of the Team B 40 yard line; and after having run a series of plays, subsequently fails to penetrate the Team B 40 yard line, then they could attempt a 4-point FG. If they do not penetrate the Team B 20 yard line, then they could attempt a 3-point FG. Penetrating the Team B 20, they could only try a 2-point FG. Once penetration had been made to any of those demarcation lines, the field goal value would only be the minimum allowed, regardless of where the field goal may be attempted from. 

Too complicated. Who would keep up with it? The 9th official? 

[Arbitrator]

Too complicated. Who would keep up with it? The 9th official? 

 

Simply have them place 3 little tick marks for that on your white game data card ~ or for that matter, just let the Referee keep the official count and record it; since about 95% of what he's doing out there is administrating anyway! 

[RedTD]

Along the lines of keeping track:   Somewhere in my distant past I remember having to keep track of "penetrations" (that is each time a team entered the Red Zone). Don't remember which state ( I called in 8 states and overseas). Don't remember how it was used -I believe it had to do with if the game ended in a tie how many "points" the team received in playoff calculations. Could it have been Texas? The mind is a terrible thing......

[Etref]

Along the lines of keeping track:   Somewhere in my distant past I remember having to keep track of "penetrations" (that is each time a team entered the Red Zone). Don't remember which state ( I called in 8 states and overseas). Don't remember how it was used -I believe it had to do with if the game ended in a tie how many "points" the team received in playoff calculations. Could it have been Texas? The mind is a terrible thing......

Yes, UIL in Texas used penetrations, then first downs and then yardage as a tie breaker in playoff games before we had the NCAA tie breaker rules. We also kept up with penetrations and first downs in district game.   Glad we upgraded......................

[RedTD]

Yes, UIL in Texas used penetrations, then first downs and then yardage as a tie breaker in playoff games before we had the NCAA tie breaker rules. We also kept up with penetrations and first downs in district game.   Glad we upgraded......................

Thanks Etref. It is all coming back to me now. Signal first down, write it on the card, inside the 20, write it on the card. but if they lose yardage and get back inside the Red Zone no mark. Felt like we needed a secretary!

[bossman72]

NCAA - keep it as is.  The extra point isn't as automatic in D3/JUCO/D2 as it is in D1/D1AA.

I like the idea of "drop kick only"

[mishatx]

Get rid of points for a touchdown, go back to counting goals only. 

[Joe Stack]

you would have teams intentionally taking a loss of yardage to try to gain the advantage of a longer attempt.  This goes against the basic fundamentals of the game.

Nonsense. Teams take losses of yardage now to line up a straight kick. They take losses now in a victory formation. There's nothing that goes against the fundamentals of the game.

There are some issues with it -- most could be ironed out in a year or two -- like spot of kick or spot of snap, how you mark either, signals, etc. But lets not make stuff up and non-existent problems to changes.