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Offline TXMike

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Chain Crew 101
« on: January 26, 2014, 05:12:05 PM »
On PATs what down should be on down box and why?
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2014, 06:17:57 PM »
4th, serves as a reminder of 4th down/PAT FUMBLE RULE
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2014, 06:19:08 PM »
1st as the Line to Gain was Gained with the TD.
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Chain Crew 101
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2014, 07:52:02 PM »
We turn it sideways so no down is visible.


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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2014, 04:02:54 PM »
Turn the dial-a-down so it's halfway between 1 and 2.


When the conversion is made, set it to the correct number and wave it over your head.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2014, 07:28:37 PM »
1...  just 'cuz
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 02:03:09 AM »
We don't have a guideline for this. Most do as SkyBolt - I expect they do that in the NFL.
I had never thought of Etref's point with the 4th fumble rule. I like that and will propose it for this year.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 07:24:58 AM »
Actually the most useful info to have on the marker would be the number of the previous down. While this would be most applicable in games with replay, it could come in handy for others as well. Until the ball is snapped for the try, there is always the possibility of having to recreate the the down and distance of the previous play. Leave the down marker and chain clip as is.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2014, 03:15:11 PM »
Our mechanics say "1", but I have always (or at least for a very very long time) thought it should be "4". Mainly because of the reason stated above (4th down fumble rule), but also because this is the last down of that little mini series. I realize that it is also the ONLY down, but I still think 4th seems more sensible, but mostly because of the fumble rule.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2014, 04:54:33 PM »
Maybe down markers should be changed to add an "X" for eXtra point.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 03:54:02 AM »
Quote from: Dommer1 on February 09, 2014, 03:15:11 PM
Our mechanics say "1"

I wonder if we could convince the editor to change that to "4"?
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 08:16:40 AM »
I think the reason we put 1 on there is so we don't confuse people.  Let's say a TD was scored on 3rd down on a pass from the 3 yard line.  You then switch the down box to 4.  What are people going to think?

If you switch it to 1, there isn't any confusion
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2014, 11:33:24 PM »
I agree with bossman. I can't envision a scenario where Team A would put the ball into play first down at the Team B 3 after any penalty. There could be a situation where the score/clock doesn't see the TD signal.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2014, 01:50:58 AM »
Quote from: Joe Stack on February 13, 2014, 11:33:24 PM
I can't envision a scenario where Team A would put the ball into play first down at the Team B 3 after any penalty.

Lots of situations come to my mind. 3rd and goal from B-9, DPI at B-3. 3rd and goal from B-10, defensive FM on the tackle at B-6.
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Offline bossman72

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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2014, 11:41:55 AM »
Quote from: Kalle on February 14, 2014, 01:50:58 AM
Lots of situations come to my mind. 3rd and goal from B-9, DPI at B-3. 3rd and goal from B-10, defensive FM on the tackle at B-6.


Right, but there's a foul in those instances.  Never would we ever in football go from 2nd or 3rd down to 1st down without a foul or gaining a first down.  So changing it to 1st down on the try would eliminate any confusion
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2014, 12:52:30 PM »
Quote from: Kalle on February 14, 2014, 01:50:58 AM
Lots of situations come to my mind. 3rd and goal from B-9, DPI at B-3. 3rd and goal from B-10, defensive FM on the tackle at B-6.
DPI at the B3 would put the ball at the 2, Just saying!
When the ball is snapped on or inside the Team B 17-yard line and outside the Team B two-yard line, and the spot of the foul is on or inside the two-yard line, the penalty from the previous spot shall place the ball at the two-yard line, first down (A.R.7-3-8-XIV).
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2014, 01:50:20 PM »
Quote from: Wingmanbp on February 14, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
DPI at the B3 would put the ball at the 2, Just saying!

Umh, no, it won't. The A.R. you quoted has it right, and as the spot of the foul in my example is outside B-2, the ball will be placed at the spot of the foul, not at B-2.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2014, 02:14:20 PM »
Quote from: Kalle on February 14, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Umh, no, it won't. The A.R. you quoted has it right, and as the spot of the foul in my example is outside B-2, the ball will be placed at the spot of the foul, not at B-2.
Well you weren't supposed to read it all the way thru. LOL I guess I misread it. Its off season that's my excuse ;D
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2014, 09:46:32 AM »
Most of the HL's in our league set it at 4 now. Took a little while for them to accept it though.
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Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2014, 04:13:22 PM »
Quote from: Kalle on February 10, 2014, 03:54:02 AM
I wonder if we could convince the editor to change that to "4"?
Nope!

If you had a brain fart and forgot what the play was, if it always said "4" you would not typically know whether you had just had a 4th down field goal attempt or a try. If it says "1" and they kicked the ball, you have a good chance of remembering it was a try.
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Re: Re: Chain Crew 101
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2014, 08:10:09 AM »
Quote from: bafra31 on March 30, 2014, 04:13:22 PM
Nope!

If you had a "SENIOR MOMENT" and forgot what the play was, if it always said "4" you would not typically know whether you had just had a 4th down field goal attempt or a try. If it says "1" and they kicked the ball, you have a good chance of remembering it was a try.

If you don't remember that you have a lot of other issues

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