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Offline copedaddy

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New TASO education system
« on: February 28, 2014, 09:32:51 AM »
So, TASO has taken a lead from the UIL, if we can't get people to come to the state meeting, (some of us have real jobs) then we will require them to take an online course for $75 so we don't loose out on any funds.
I think the idea is sound, but knowing TASO like I do, I am not sure that quality of education will be on par with what it should be. And the online web course servers might be overwhelmed and could lead to some not being able to finish before the season starts. :sTiR:

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2014, 09:37:55 AM »
Would this replace the regional clinic or would it be in addition.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2014, 09:50:00 AM »
Regional Clinics still happening, however, District Clinics at the Chapter level will no longer count towards educational credit.

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2014, 09:59:02 AM »
I am glad TASO is implementing this policy.  I believe all money generated from this venture should go towards... an improved website hEaDbAnG and HUDL training pray:;


I just hope they stick to their guns and make sure that people are not working games that have not been to a rules clinic.  They have no excuse to not attend.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2014, 11:25:16 AM »
What can I learn at a clinic that I can't learn in our 5 mandatory August meetings?   That tells me it is all about money.  Unreal. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2014, 04:18:03 PM »
This is just a tax and isn't TASO supposed to be soooo much better than a governmental entity controlling football and raising registration fees on a whim?  That is what we were led to believe that would happen under the UIL, they would just raise our fees at any time. 

So now, in effect, TASO has added 75$ to our yearly dues, to watch a video, if it is in the guise of education how do they know YOU, the official, are the one watching?

Sounds like a great plan, if you are looking to raise capital...
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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2014, 06:04:23 PM »
The online clinic is not meant to take the place of an actual clinic.  It is to provide those who did not make a clinic a way of attending one.  If you put a low cost on an online clinic then nobody would show up at the real clinics if online was cheaper.  I have heard that the online clinic would be something that you couldn't just pay and be done.  If anyone has ever done defensive driving online then you know how that works

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2014, 06:47:06 PM »
So, this is a new required clinic, that doesn't replace anything that is currently on the books, ie regional clinics...that will effectively be a 75$ tax for those that choose not to go to the state meeting.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2014, 07:00:30 PM »
What can I learn at a clinic that I can't learn in our 5 mandatory August meetings?   That tells me it is all about money.  Unreal. 

Every clinic I have ever attended I learned something or reinforced something I knew!
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2014, 04:00:28 PM »
I've never been to a state meeting where I got out for only $75. So, if you are telling me that I'll never have to drive to Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Harlingen, or Dallas and spend on average $400 (meals, hotel, registration and gas)...I'm a pretty happy camper!

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2014, 04:27:25 PM »
I think Austin's clinic is $35 or $40.  I know where I'm going.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2014, 05:49:45 PM »
San Antonio's is $45

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2014, 06:17:55 PM »
those are regional clinics right?

new 75$ online clinic <> regional clinic.

That is what we were told earlier in this thread, that we would have to attend a regional clinic as well as this 75$ online clinic if we didn't go to the state meeting. 

Do we have any definitive word about this, seems to be there is some misinformation about this new "clinic" and what it does/doesn't replace.  It would help if TASO would put something out about this on their new website. 

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2014, 09:01:50 PM »
Actually, you now have three choices and you only have to accomplish one.

State Meeting

Regional Rules Clinic

On-Line Course

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2014, 09:36:58 PM »
Houston's clinic is included with our chapter dues so there's no reason for me to not go there.

An online option is nice to have though.

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2014, 06:44:24 AM »
Actually, you now have three choices and you only have to accomplish one.

State Meeting

Regional Rules Clinic

On-Line Course

That makes it a lot more palitable, but that's not how it was conveyed at the beginning of this thread.  Since my chapter leadership has yet to divulge any of the secrets that were bestowed upon them at the meeting it is easy to drag out the jump to conclusions mat erroneously.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2014, 06:54:10 AM »
The District Meeting was never intended to be the only educational points a member could receive to satisfy their educational point requirements, yet that is what is was being used for.  For most, and if you guys think different, you are kidding yourselves, at the district meeting, guys were signing in, picking up their rule book and then out the door.  You have all seen the rules changes over the past 10 years or so.  How can you possibly learn all you needed to know by attending a 30-45 minute presentation on rules.  How many members out of this organization of 5000 attend all the meetings they are supposed to attend?  We have never even had half our membership attend a state meeting at any one time.  Granted, I am not so far gone to even think that would be possible but think about it.  What the Football BOD did was make another avenue available for learning.  Yes, it is going to cost a little more than a Rules Clinic and it was designed to be that way.  I am not speaking for everyone, just for myself, but I seem to get more out of something when I am hearing it in person and can ask questions and interact with others that know way more than I do.

If you were to look at the Rules Misapplications from games last year, ask yourself, of those involved, how many officials involved actually attended a Regional Rules Clinic or the State Meeting or just decided that the District Meeting was good enough?  I don't know the answer but I have my opinion.

You have the options this year of doing 1 of the following:
Regional Rules Clinic
State Meeting
On-Line Clinic

If you go back to the litigation with the UIL, one of the main reasons given by the UIL was accountability on the part of the officials.  In my opinion, that is what is happening here.  We are being held accountable for our educational requirements.  Is that really such a bad thing?  Those of us that always attend the Regional Rules Clinic or State Meeting will continue to do so.  Those officials that attend SEVERAL Rules Clinics per season will also continue to do so.  The On-Line clinic is just another tool for those that want to utilize it, nothing more.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2014, 09:15:02 AM »
I think the online make up should be more in my opinion.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2014, 09:31:02 AM »
BJ85:  I am not quite sure where you are coming from on this.  On part of your post I agree with you and on others I am on the opposite side of the issue with you.

I think the misapplications of rules is across the board regardless of if you attended a rules clinic or not.  I see every complaint that comes into Houston via HUDL.  We got around 90 official complaints.  The #1 missed call by far is BIB.  #2 Targeting.  I have guys with state championship pedigrees missing those and newbies missing those (and I miss those too).  To state that there is a correlation between attending a rules clinic and not missing calls is a stretch.  I dont know what rules clinics you have been attending but no clinic I have ever been to has been good enough/interesting enough/engaging enough to keep my attention.  I get more out of reading the forums here then I have at any rules clinic.

Here is where I think the problem is with the training.  Our rule book is written at a 2nd year in college level.  The general population of the state of Texas reads at a 10th grade level.  College grads read at a first year in college level.  The only people who read books like our rules book are engineers, lawyers, and accountants.  Heck I have 36 hours at the Doctorate level and I cant read more then half a chapter at a time before I want to scratch my eyeballs out.  Just think about the 1st year UPS worker and his commitment.  He is not going to read it.

Adults learn in a different manner then kids.  Handing them a rule book and sitting them in an auditorium to listen to new rules is probably the worse way to teach an adult.  When we certify "clinicians" we don't ask them what their adult learning experience is we ask them what their rules knowledge is.  So then who do we have as clinicians the lawyer/accountant/engineer types who love reading technical journals.

Besides the demographics issues problem I see with TASO, the training mindset is what I think is their 2nd biggest issue.  I am a bit excited about the online clinic possibilities.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2014, 09:41:38 AM »
To state that there is a correlation between attending a rules clinic and not missing calls is a stretch.


Coby,

He said nothing about missing calls (everybody does that). He said misapplication of the rules, ie incorrect enforcement. I saw several instances in the televised state championships and most weren't on new rules.

Best regards,

Brad

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2014, 12:33:56 PM »
We officiate probably the most rules-complex sport in the world, and yet it gets even more complex with the changing and adding of rules every year.  What we do is really complicated from a rules standpoint.  We, all of us, are going to kick a rule every now and then.  We have a lot and I mean a LOT of guys in their 50's and 60's and beyond who have no inclination to progress to the college level.  Let's be honest, it is unlikely to happen at that age, although it does happen every now and then.  If we were to tell those guys they are too old, what do you guys think would happen to coverage of sv games, and even varsity games?  What I'm getting at is that guys that age may not put as much into officiating as some younger more eager guys.  If someone expects every official in the state to never misapply a rule, I think we are really kidding ourselves.  It happens to every one of us.  The simple stuff should always be automatic, but the rare calls are going to occasionally cause problems for the best of us.  We work a sport with imperfect players, coaching, fields, weather, lighting, etc, and officiating is right there; it will never be perfect.  We also are doing this as an avocation and only have so much time to devote.  I think we should expect officials to do the best they can and realize there will occasionally be mistakes, just like the other imperfections.  If someone, UIL, coaches, schools, want to hold us to a very high level of accountability, fine, but you get what you pay for, part-time, not very well paid hobbyists.  By expecting everyone to attend a rules clinic, TASO has just created an additional burden and, essentially, a tax.  Adding this requirement doesn't make officials any better or accountable.  It's just fluff.  The guys that want to learn and not embarrass themselves will always learn on their own and the ones that don't wish to be better aren't going to try to be.  Sitting them in a clinic isn't going to make them learn.  But, with the state of officiating now days, we can't very well run them off either.  Bottom line is, this requirement succeeds at nothing other than telling UIL that it is now a requirement, fluff.  This, just like adding placards to the back of an official's shirt, do nothing to make us all better officials.
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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2014, 02:55:50 PM »
Well said Doc...  I ask this question a lot and no one ever has an answer.  So please answer if you can....

Is High School Sports officiating the only  example of the state of Texas setting fees and not allowing supply and demand to run its course? 

With teachers they set a minimum but allow districts to pay more if they would like too.  Is there another example of the state of Texas mandating pay for services rendered? 

Supply and Demand is a powerful market corrector.  The Supply of Officials gets smaller and smaller.  There are more and more barriers up to enter the market (passing test, new uniforms, attending meetings etc etc).  The demand for officials continues to increase (more schools, more pee wee, etc).  But the Gov refuses to move the equilibrium price.  The results are going to be disastrous in 10-12 years. I am getting my popcorn ready to watch. The finger pointing will be intense.

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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2014, 03:50:45 PM »
Well said Doc...  I ask this question a lot and no one ever has an answer.  So please answer if you can....

Is High School Sports officiating the only  example of the state of Texas setting fees and not allowing supply and demand to run its course? 

With teachers they set a minimum but allow districts to pay more if they would like too.  Is there another example of the state of Texas mandating pay for services rendered? 

Supply and Demand is a powerful market corrector.  The Supply of Officials gets smaller and smaller.  There are more and more barriers up to enter the market (passing test, new uniforms, attending meetings etc etc).  The demand for officials continues to increase (more schools, more pee wee, etc).  But the Gov refuses to move the equilibrium price.  The results are going to be disastrous in 10-12 years. I am getting my popcorn ready to watch. The finger pointing will be intense.

Might I recommend we stay on topic? (TASO Education) or thread creep will kill it. Recommend you start a new thread when we have a topic change. JMO.

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2014, 06:32:46 PM »
The District Meeting was never intended to be the only educational points a member could receive to satisfy their educational point requirements, yet that is what is was being used for.  For most, and if you guys think different, you are kidding yourselves, at the district meeting, guys were signing in, picking up their rule book and then out the door. 


Kinda the same way at the state meetings isn't it
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Re: New TASO education system
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2014, 09:17:09 PM »
...Supply and Demand is a powerful market corrector.  The Supply of Officials gets smaller and smaller.  There are more and more barriers up to enter the market (passing test, new uniforms, attending meetings etc etc).  The demand for officials continues to increase (more schools, more pee wee, etc)... The results are going to be disastrous in 10-12 years. I am getting my popcorn ready to watch. The finger pointing will be intense.
Not a problem unique to Texas and it won't be 10-12 years. I've been singing this tune for a long time.
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