Author Topic: Test Question (Read 42750 times)

TexDoc · « **on:** July 30, 2014, 07:15:33 AM »

Thoughts on this question? Maybe I'm just missing something, but how can you have 1/10 from anywhere inside the 10 yard line when on your opponent's side of the 50? Explain to me what I'm missing here. I just may not be awake yet. Seems to me the penalty leaves the ball at the B-6.5, A's ball, 1/G. Clock on snap.

4/4@B-13. Running back A23 is tackled inbounds at the B-10. B76 was lined up in the neutral zone at the snap.

a.
Team A 1/10 @ B-8; clock starts on the ready

b.
Team A 1/10 @ B-5; clock starts on the snap

c.
Team A 1/10 @B-8; clock starts on the snap

TXMike · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:18:22 AM »

Check the UIL Exceptions this year. Now that we are effectively following the NCAA timing rules for the most part, since B is not actually snapping the ball clock starts on the ready

TexDoc · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:20:22 AM »

OK, I understand that change, but 'splain to me how we have a 1/10 by A inside B's 10 yd line. And, the yard line after the penalty is incorrect. There is no right answer, if I understand this question correctly.

TexDoc · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:28:29 AM »

Another crappy question. From where was the ball kicked on the opening ko? I assume from the A-40, but it doesn't say. If it was, then contact by A on B82 at the A-49 is illegal, since the ball has not traveled 10 yards and has not been touched by B. My answer is d, but I have to make assumptions with the question, which I should not have to do. This one needs fixing.

A19 on the opening kickoff surprises the receiving team by kicking the ball into the ground. B82 is positioned to recover the ball at the A-49 after it has bounced twice, when he is contacted by A32 as A32 subsequently recovers the kick.

a.
No foul - ball continues in play with a bean bag thrown to mark the spot of recovery

b.
No foul - ball is blown dead when recovered. Team B's ball 1 & 10 at A-49

c.
Kick Catch Interference. B's ball 1 & 10 at A-34

d.
None of the above

TexDoc · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:31:30 AM »

Another crappy question. This is the type of horrible question we used to see on tests, just a play on words. No, A does not have to "punt" the ball. They can kick it from a tee. This one needs fixing. No "play on words" questions should be used. The question should be changed to "the kicking team MAY punt..."

After a safety, the kicking team must punt the ball from any point behind Team A's restraining line, but all other Team A players must be behind the ball when kicked.

a.
True

b.
False

TXMike · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:40:24 AM »

Quote from: TexDoc on July 30, 2014, 07:28:29 AM

A19 on the opening kickoff surprises the receiving team by kicking the ball into the ground. B82 is positioned to recover the ball at the A-49 after it has bounced twice, when he is contacted by A32 as A32 subsequently recovers the kick.

a.
No foul - ball continues in play with a bean bag thrown to mark the spot of recovery

b.
No foul - ball is blown dead when recovered. Team B's ball 1 & 10 at A-49

c.
Kick Catch Interference. B's ball 1 & 10 at A-34

d.
None of the above

Why isn't it B? team A illegally touched the ball at the A-49 so ball goes to B at that spot 1st and 10. You don't have to make assumptions, just don't over think it. KO's are typicaly from the A-40 . If they want you to consider it was kicked from elsewhere they would tell you that

TexDoc · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:51:34 AM »

Quote from: TXMike on July 30, 2014, 07:40:24 AM

Why isn't it B? team A illegally touched the ball at the A-49 so ball goes to B at that spot 1st and 10. You don't have to make assumptions, just don't over think it. KO's are typicaly from the A-40 . If they want you to consider it was kicked from elsewhere they would tell you that

It needs to say that it was kicked from the 40. If the ball has not traveled 10 yards from where kicked and B has not touched it, then A cannot "block" team B players, since A is not eligible to touch the ball yet. Crappy question because is says A "contacted" B82, which I read as illegal. Really, the point is, what is being attempted by the question? It is very poorly written.

6-1-12:
Eligibility to Block
ARTICLE 12
No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a
free-kicked ball. (A.R. 6-1-3-II)

TXMike · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:54:08 AM »

I think the same question last year said incidentally contacted. Would that be good enough for you?

TexDoc · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2014, 07:59:28 AM »

Quote from: TXMike on July 30, 2014, 07:54:08 AM

I think the same question last year said incidentally contacted. Would that be good enough for you?

If that's not part of the reason for the question, then why even say anything about contact? Just leave that out.

TexDoc · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:01:08 AM »

What's different here? Looks like same question.

Question #40
Third and 7 on B-17. QB A11 hands off to Back A22 at the B-20. A22 runs to the B-14 where he is hit by B31, is spun around, keeps his feet, runs and is tackled by B52 at the B-9, where he is actually downed. A22 then gets up and spikes the ball. Ruling: First and 10 A at the B-24.

Question #41
Third and 7 on B-17. QB A11 hands off to Back A22 at the B-20. A22 runs to the B-14 where he is hit by B31, is spun around, keeps his feet, runs and is tackled by B52 at the B-9, where he is actually downed. A22 then gets up and spikes the ball. Ruling: First and 10 A at the B-24.

TXMike · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:07:28 AM »

Quote from: TexDoc on July 30, 2014, 07:59:28 AM

If that's not part of the reason for the question, then why even say anything about contact? Just leave that out.

It IS part of the question. Guys need to know the difference between blocking and incidental contact in this situation

TexDoc · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:10:32 AM »

Quote from: TXMike on July 30, 2014, 08:07:28 AM

It IS part of the question. Guys need to know the difference between blocking and incidental contact in this situation

OK, then you absolutely must include "incidentally" if that's the point. Without it, assumptions have to be made.

TexDoc · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:12:11 AM »

Another bad one:

Question #47
If the defensive team commits a foul during a play that ends in a touchdown, the penalty is enforced on the try.

It depends! Another "wording" question. Be clear. If the point is, we want you to know that some are penalized and some are not, then state the question that way.

I'm being critical, but we really need to fix these tests.

TXMike · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:16:32 AM »

You are overthinking it. The statement is a concrete statement with no "may" or "if" in it. We know there are exceptions so that makes the concrete statement false. The way the statement reads, that is the only option. That is false

TexDoc · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:18:33 AM »

Quote from: TXMike on July 30, 2014, 08:16:32 AM

You are overthinking it. The statement is a concrete statement with no "may" or "if" in it. We know there are exceptions so that makes the concrete statement false. The way the statement reads, that is the only option. That is false

This is exactly the kind of very, very crappy question that proves nothing about your knowledge of the rules! It needs to be fixed or thrown out. A play on words is not what we need to be tested on.

TXMike · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:33:30 AM »

So if 95% of the testtakers get that question correct you still don't think it's a good question?

SA_Zebra · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:59:17 AM »

agree it was a crappy question... it either needs to read that A incidentally contacted him, or A blocked him. simply saying "contact" isn't providing enough information. those familiar with the rule about early contact are likely to miss this one.

fencewire · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2014, 11:17:45 AM »

Team A players (the kicking team) are eligible to block Team B once the ball is kicked.

what type of kick? free kick, scrimmage kick? makes a difference based on the users assumption, I am sure this is for a free kick, but...

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2014, 11:18:04 AM »

How many times have you had a kickoff from anywhere other than the 40 on the opening kick-off?

Etref · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2014, 01:53:04 PM »

I do agree that many test questions can be a lot more clearly stated or written.

TexDoc · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2014, 01:56:39 PM »

Quote from: TxSkyBolt on July 30, 2014, 11:18:04 AM

How many times have you had a kickoff from anywhere other than the 40 on the opening kick-off?

Even if remote, is there a chance an opening kickoff could be made from some other yard line? And, what is the relevance of this question using "opening kickoff?" Do the rules somehow change from any other kickoff? Why not just say, no a kickoff from the kicking team's 40...

Seems too logical.

TXMike · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2014, 01:57:58 PM »

And we could all be a little slimmer, a little faster, a little more knowledgeable, a little more whatever... But we is what we is.

Etref · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2014, 02:55:42 PM »

Quote from: TXMike on July 30, 2014, 01:57:58 PM

And we could all be a little slimmer, a little faster, a little more knowledgeable, a little more whatever... But we is what we is.

That is true!!

TexDoc · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2014, 03:20:51 PM »

And the tests should be getting better year over year. Although it is better than it was 7/8 years ago, there doesn't seem to be much progress since then. It seems the test is more a foothold for TASO to say we all passed a test instead of a tool to really test our knowledge. But, with very weak numbers, that might be a good thing.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2014, 06:03:15 PM »

Totally disagree Doc. This years test was far better than years past. You're never going to find a perfect question unless you hire a professional test writer. I had no trouble taking and passing the test. Just don't read so much into the questions. The questions are not trying to trick us and IMO are very straight forward. Could some be improved? Sure. Does that make them "crappy" and "horrible"? I don't think so. Maybe we should give someone else a chance to write the test bank next year....any takers?

Author Topic: Test Question (Read 42750 times)

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