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Offline FLAHL

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Saw this KO formation last night
« on: August 22, 2014, 07:59:44 AM »
Our week of preseason games started with 2 games last night, so I went to watch one of them.  Here's what one of the teams did every time they kicked off:

  35 yard line ______________________________________________________
                     1       2       3       4       5       6       7       8       9       10       11
  40 yard line ______________________________________________________

1) Lined up 11 players between the 35 and 40.  No player was ever deeper than the 35.
2) Two (or sometimes all 3) of the three players in the middle (players 5, 6, & 7) approached the ball with one (or two) of them faking and one of them actually kicking it.  As the faker(s) passed the ball, he moved from one side of the ball to the other, before it was kicked by the person who actually became the Kicker.  Think of 7 crossing over in front of 6, or 5 crossing over in front of 6, or both.
3) One of the outside players (sometimes player 2 and sometimes player 10) ran full speed from the side and broke down the middle of the field right after the kicker kicked the ball. He never went deeper than the 35.
4) All of the kicks were either grounded onside attempts or pooch kicks behind the first line of R players.

So, the formation is either legal or illegal depending on which of the players (5, 6, or 7) actually kicked the ball, which side of the kicker the "faker(s)" was/were on when the ball was kicked, and which side of the kicker the motion man (from point 3 above) was on when the ball was kicked.

The first time they did this, I had no idea what happened.  I was prepared and counting the other times that they kicked off, and I still couldn't say whether or not there were 4 players on each side of the ball when it was kicked.  During the first half, I was in the stands, on the 50 yard line.  During the second half, I was OoB at the goal line.  I would have to see the video in slow motion, with the ability to stop right at the kick, in order to accurately say whether or not this was legal.  In real time, it looks like a Harlem Globetrotters warmup routine. 
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Re: Saw this KO formation last night
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 08:14:56 AM »
I love it!

Why would it be illegal if 5, 6 or 7 kicked it?  There are at least 4 players (exclusive of 5, 6 and 7) on either side of any or all of them.  As long as the 2 or 10 player didn't cross behind the eventual kicker before the ball was kicked, it's all legal.

We made it easy last night.  We kicked off 4 times, the shortest of which was 64 yards.

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Re: Saw this KO formation last night
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2014, 08:23:15 AM »
AB, you're exactly right.  If it were just 5, 6, and 7, there would be no problem.  2 or 10 running behind 5, 6, or 7 make it a potential problem and, as I said, nearly impossible to determine in real time.  Plus, since they're either pooching or grounding an on-side kick attempt, it's not like you have time to consider what you just saw, you're already worrying about first touching, blocking in the NZ, and recovery of the kick.  I think we just have to let the play go as legal, but I wanted to give this as a heads up on what we might expect to see.

It would be much simpler if everybody just boomed the KO out of the EZ. :)

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Re: Saw this KO formation last night
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2014, 08:48:35 AM »
AB, you're exactly right.  If it were just 5, 6, and 7, there would be no problem.  2 or 10 running behind 5, 6, or 7 make it a potential problem and, as I said, nearly impossible to determine in real time.  Plus, since they're either pooching or grounding an on-side kick attempt, it's not like you have time to consider what you just saw, you're already worrying about first touching, blocking in the NZ, and recovery of the kick.  I think we just have to let the play go as legal, but I wanted to give this as a heads up on what we might expect to see.

If you don't KNOW it's a foul, it's not.  But yes, there is no way a 5 man crew is going to be able to watch that and cover the kick.  We know the rule is going to be fixed in January, but this year could be interesting.


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It would be much simpler if everybody just boomed the KO out of the EZ. :)

WH told me at halftime last night, "I love working with your kickers.  All I have to do is wave my arm."

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Re: Saw this KO formation last night
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2014, 09:53:56 AM »
If you don't KNOW it's a foul, it's not.  But yes, there is no way a 5 man crew is going to be able to watch that and cover the kick.
We can all agree on that. With emphasis on the words "no way"  cRaZy
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