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Offline BankerRef

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« on: September 11, 2014, 09:16:29 PM »
Watching two games tonight.  Both R's are working non-throwing arm side.  Have I missed something?
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Re: R Position
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2014, 10:18:04 PM »
Quote from: BankerRef on September 11, 2014, 09:16:29 PM
Watching two games tonight.  Both R's are working non-throwing arm side.  Have I missed something?

I think McAulay is experimenting with his own mechanics on this...
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 10:42:44 PM »
8 man?


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Re: R Position
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 07:03:49 AM »
Nope 7 man.  I believe it was CUSA and AAC crews.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 08:16:58 AM »
I heard Jerry Austin speak.  He believes very strongly in this mechanic.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 11:30:54 AM »
Quote from: Johnponz on September 12, 2014, 08:16:58 AM
I heard Jerry Austin speak.  He believes very strongly in this mechanic.
What's his rationale?
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 03:08:11 PM »
He believes it is easier to see roughing the passer and targeting that way because the QBs off side us open and most roughing comes from that side
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Re: R Position
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 01:02:58 PM »
I agree, that roughing the passer might be called more easily from that position. But what about forward pass vs fumble situations? Is this a "TV review only" mechanic? Meaning: Would they do this in games where there is no review possible?
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Re: R Position
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 01:12:44 PM »
To confirm: It is a C-USA mechanic.  Worked a pre-season scrimmage with mostly a C-USA crew and R was looking at the back of QB.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2014, 08:59:47 AM »
Quote from: rocknrolla on September 15, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
I agree, that roughing the passer might be called more easily from that position. But what about forward pass vs fumble situations? Is this a "TV review only" mechanic? Meaning: Would they do this in games where there is no review possible?

Exactly right!  They figure pass/fumble can be fixed by replay.  Being on the other side gives you a better look at helmet hits and other hits on the QB
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Re: R Position
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2014, 08:21:00 AM »
According to Jerry, the pass fumble ruling should be correctly ruled a fumble more than 90% of the time.  The roughing the passer call and targeting call are much tougher and arguably more important.  The R's number 1 priority is more and more becoming protection of the QB.  Some people kind of argued this point, and Jerry made it clear that if you want to work in the higher levels this is the only acceptable attitude to have.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2014, 09:30:09 AM »
Quote from: Johnponz on September 18, 2014, 08:21:00 AM
Some people kind of argued this point, and Jerry made it clear that if you want to work in the higher levels this is the only acceptable attitude to have.
So then why haven't every conference adopted his mechanic?  :sTiR:
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Re: R Position
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2014, 09:37:29 AM »
It sounds to me like that is what he recommends.  Give it time.  Change is slow. 

We may end up seeing this in the near future.  Jerry is a very experienced R (obviously), and the other coordinators probably respect his opinions which are often on the cutting edge (my observation).
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Re: R Position
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2014, 08:23:02 AM »
It is more likely that all the major conferences go to the 8th man, which makes this moot.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2014, 09:38:52 AM »
You are correct. 

However remember that NCAA is more than Division 1-BCS.  I predict that for 7 official mechanics (which Division 3 will be using for awhile) eventually the R will move to the non-passing side of the QB.

 It may not be next year, but I believe it will happen.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2014, 10:09:31 AM »
Quote from: Johnponz on September 19, 2014, 09:38:52 AM
You are correct. 

However remember that NCAA is more than Division 1-BCS.  I predict that for 7 official mechanics (which Division 3 will be using for awhile) eventually the R will move to the non-passing side of the QB.

 It may not be next year, but I believe it will happen.
It was stated earlier part of the reason for moving to the off-side arm was because replay could fix pass/fumble situations, so it was not that critical for R to be on the throwing-arm side. How many Division 2 or Division 3 games are played using replay?
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2014, 10:17:14 AM »
As I stated prior.  According to Jerry (when I heard him) he thinks that even without replay the R belongs on the non-passing side because, again, according to him roughing the passer and targeting is a more critical call then the forward pass, fumble call. 

He stated that the forward pass fumble call is a fumble most of the time, and should be ruled as such unless the R knows it is a incomplete pass.

I stand by my prediction-but we shall see.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2014, 10:25:55 AM »
Quote from: Johnponz on September 19, 2014, 10:17:14 AM
He stated that the forward pass fumble call is a fumble most of the time, and should be ruled as such unless the R knows it is a incomplete pass.

That goes against every axiom I've ever seen.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2014, 10:27:36 AM »
Agreed just telling you what he said.

My experience is that he is correct most of the time these are fumbles.

I believe the axiom is the way it is because the result of an incomplete pass generally is not a turnover while the result of a fumble generally is a turnover.
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Re: R Position
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2014, 11:49:31 AM »
Quote from: Johnponz on September 19, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
My experience is that he is correct most of the time these are fumbles.
That's probably because we're letting replay fix it, so we are going to lean that way.

Quote from: Johnponz on September 19, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
...the result of an incomplete pass generally is not a turnover...
You think?  ::)

(Sorry, but I just couldn't let that softball slide by me).
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Re: R Position
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2014, 11:53:56 AM »
LOL  I work Division 3 so no replay for my personal experiences.
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