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Offline Suudy

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"Wrong Play" Play
« on: November 10, 2014, 09:25:27 AM »
I've been scouring the interwebs looking for video of the Washington/Colorado game a couple of weeks ago, but unable to find one, I'm going to have to go with a description.

Colorado was in formation ready to snap.  Washington had it's D linemen down.  The QB then looked to the sideline (the typical no-huddle type of look for a play) and the Washington D lineman stood and knelt waiting.  Then the ball was snapped directly to a back.  The announcers indicated that CU used this as a designed play to keep the defense offguard (take that for whatever it's worth).

How does this compare to the "wrong ball" or "wrong tee"?  I've seen this before where the QB goes in motion toward the sideline yelling something akin to "What's the play?" and we've been advised to shut it down (granted, I'm an NFHS guy).  Anything specific to NCAA that makes this permissible?
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Offline Kalle

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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 09:41:15 AM »
This sounds like legal deception to me. The QB is not using either the substitution process or equipment to deceive. Very borderline, though.
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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 12:09:51 PM »
My understanding of the rule is any direct interaction with anyone not an inbounds player implying that the snap is not imminent would make this a foul.  Not seeing (and hearing) what was going on makes it impossible to pass judgment on this specific case play.
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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 12:02:47 PM »
Quote from: Kalle on November 10, 2014, 09:41:15 AM
This sounds like legal deception to me. The QB is not using either the substitution process or equipment to deceive. Very borderline, though.


I agree with Kalle.  Play is legal in NCAA
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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2014, 02:51:45 AM »
A similar play happened between BYU and Air Force a few years ago. The BYU QB did the "what's the call" motion to the sideline and was flagged for USC. The link is on play #3 from an old NCAA training video from 2010.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YIaOdft8RM
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Offline Kalle

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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2014, 11:18:51 AM »
That's a different situation, the QB is in motion. It is and has long been illegal. The OP is much closer to the dividing line and IMO on the legal side (wouldn't be surprised if RR rules this illegal). Hopefully it makes a CFO training tape.
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"Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2014, 12:28:26 PM »
 But the QB was not called for illegal motion, rather USC for trying to deceive (which I personally find humorous).


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Offline Kalle

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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2014, 12:31:16 PM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on November 16, 2014, 12:28:26 PM
But the QB was not called for illegal motion

Can't flag him for that as he is in legal motion :)
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Offline bmtjim

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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2014, 01:56:31 PM »
I spoke with a college supervisor this weekend, and on the original play he said it was legal as run.  However if the QB says anything or makes any gestures toward the bench relating to this, then it would be illegal deception.
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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2014, 04:30:52 PM »
We had the same play in a game today, the ref flagged it, much to the offenses annoyance as they said it was legal.

First time he'd seen it in a game, luckily he'd seen it on places like this before.
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Re: "Wrong Play" Play
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2014, 03:47:52 PM »
In our (BAFRA) officiating philosophies (most of which we share with NCAA/CFO), we have an additional one relating to Rule 9-2-2. In addition to the three explicit prohibitions in 9-2-2-a, b and c, we also have
"trick plays with actions or verbiage designed to confuse the defense into believing the snap is not imminent - this includes pretending to have a problem with the play that has been called, an equipment problem with a shoe, the ball, etc. and feigning an injury; it also includes assuming the role or functions of an official."
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