Old copy of NFHS Football Rules Book

[crgriggs]

I'm looking for an older copy of the NFHS Football rules, anything pre-2000 would be of interest.  Please let me know if you have anything you are willing to part with.

Thanks

Corey Griggs

[bossman72]

Maybe this will help?

http://football.refs.org/rules/index.html

[Tom.OH]

Or wait till Ralph gets back from Florida and ask him.

[crgriggs]

Thank You for the replies, what is Ralph's username?

[hefnerjm]

Thank You for the replies, what is Ralph's username?

ummm...Ralph.  with a D.  -- Damren 

Or just look for the Patriots fanboi signatures.

[SD_Casey]

Or some kind of a reference to seafood.

[VALJ]

Lobster martinis, no doubt.

[Ralph Damren]

Thanks guys, actually in Florida , it's crayfish martinis . The best source, IMHO, is the NFHS Handbook. It is published every other year and has a chronology of rule changes and points scored back to 1860. In 1932 the NFHS was founded with the annual changes listed. NFHS trivia : When was the last year there was a change in points allowed???

[Ralph Damren]

Still looking for:
       The last year NFHS scoring rules changed?

Here's some more NFHS trivia :
      The NFHS was formed in 1932 with what 3 states?
      What was the last state to join the NFHS (football) ?
      What happened in 1948 that angered the NFHS?

                    ..........that's all for now

[GA Umpire]

Thanks guys, actually in Florida , it's crayfish martinis . The best source, IMHO, is the NFHS Handbook. It is published every other year and has a chronology of rule changes and points scored back to 1860. In 1932 the NFHS was founded with the annual changes listed. NFHS trivia : When was the last year there was a change in points allowed???

Ralph,
Concerning the scoring change rules:

Are you referring to 1958 when the 2 point PAT was adopted or 1909 when the score for a field goal was decreased from 4 to 3 points?

[Atlanta Blue]

      The NFHS was formed in 1932 with what 3 states?
   

Not sure, because the NFHS was formed in 1920, not 1932, with Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan the charter members of the Midwest Federation of State High School Athletic Associations.  The name officially became the National Federation of State High School Athletic Associations in 1923. "Athletic" was removed in the 1970's.

In 1969, all 50 states and the DC were members.

[GA Umpire]

Still looking for:
       The last year NFHS scoring rules changed?

Here's some more NFHS trivia :
      The NFHS was formed in 1932 with what 3 states?
      What was the last state to join the NFHS (football) ?
      What happened in 1948 that angered the NFHS?

                    ..........that's all for now

The last state to join was Connecticut in 1979.   
The  rules were first adopted by Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin
In 1948, the rules were to be standardized with the colleges, but at the last instant the colleges published separate rules.

There is a lot of information in the Football Handbook.

[Atlanta Blue]

Connecticut was a"member" long before 1979.  They may have adopted the football rules at that time, but by 1969, all 50 state associations and the DC were members of the NFHS.

[Atlanta Blue]

Looks like our friend from the Great White North may be mixing the "football" membership and formation of the rules with the formation of the entire organization.

The facts I quoted above are from the history of the NFHS published in their 2013-2014 handbook.

Flag on Mr. Damren for confounding his variables.   

[Ralph Damren]

Ralph,
Concerning the scoring change rules:

Are you referring to 1958 when the 2 point PAT was adopted or 1909 when the score for a field goal was decreased from 4 to 3 points?

On the right track, GA, in 1958 the NCAA added the 2 pt. try but it wasn't until 1969 that the NFHS followed suit.

[Ralph Damren]

The last state to join was Connecticut in 1979.   
The  rules were first adopted by Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin
In 1948, the rules were to be standardized with the colleges, but at the last instant the colleges published separate rules.

There is a lot of information in the Football Handbook.

Nailed that one, GA. The 1948 debacle is probably an underlying reason for some of the older officials, who when they were young heard for then older officials, shun rule changes that are suggested "because the NCAA does it."

[Ralph Damren]

Looks like our friend from the Great White North may be mixing the "football" membership and formation of the rules with the formation of the entire organization.

The facts I quoted above are from the history of the NFHS published in their 2013-2014 handbook.

Flag on Mr. Damren for confounding his variables.   

Our favorite coach is correct, my question lacked clarity and I deserve a  . My quiz questions were about our grand ole' game of NFHS football and not our grand ole' NFHS. I stand corrected

[Atlanta Blue]

Our favorite coach is correct, my question lacked clarity and I deserve a  . My quiz questions were about our grand ole' game of NFHS football and not our grand ole' NFHS. I stand corrected

You are penalized one "seafood" martini, be it lobster or crawfish, depending on your current location.

And you have to chicken for lunch, no seafood.

Of course, some think being a Red Sox fan is penalty enough.

[Ralph Damren]

You are penalized one "seafood" martini, be it lobster or crawfish, depending on your current location.

And you have to chicken for lunch, no seafood.

Of course, some think being a Red Sox fan is penalty enough.

  ...our beloved NEW ENGLAND Red Sox have won 6 in a row ..of course, those are games that don't count . 'Spect soon they will return to their losing ways and once again become the BOSTON Flop Sox.

Mainer's most popular drink (male) : Pabst Blue Ribbon
Mainer's most popular drink (female) : Allan's Coffee Brandy

Proposed scoring changes since 1994 (my time on Rules Committee) :

Late 1990's - TD points differ from 4 points if play started inside B's 20 to 8 points if beyond midfield. TD on COP would always be 10. FG from more than 40 = 4 points. - Laughed down in subcommittee as it was felt a CPA would be needed to run the score board. Editor's note: proposal did NOT come from Maine.

Late 2000's - TD would be 7 points OR you could take 6 points and go for 2 on try. Eliminating the PAT kick would shorten the game time, it was felt. - It wasn't felt by many as it ,too, failed in subcommittee.

Connecticut in 1969 played by NCAA rules - I started officiating there then - moved back to Maine in 1971 - impressed my NFHS buddies with : spiffy half-red,half-white penalty flag (their's was solid red); black cap w/white piping (their's was solid black) and BEAN BAG - they had never seen one before and used their cap in lieu of. One official wore a wig and sheepishly admitted that he worried he might accidentally toss his wig along with his cap. - Connecticut adopted NFHS rules in 1979.

  Enough for useless knowledge that you guys didn't need.....

    at AB suggests, it's time to lunch on parboiled rooster with mango sauce ...

[bama_stripes]

    at AB suggests, it's time to lunch on parboiled rooster with mango sauce

What?  Everyone knows that the highest and best use for a chicken is to be floured, seasoned, and fried in a black cast iron skillet full of melted lard. (None of that "healthy" peanut oil for us!)

At least that's what my momma told me.

[Ralph Damren]

What?  Everyone knows that the highest and best use for a chicken is to be floured, seasoned, and fried in a black cast iron skillet full of melted lard. (None of that "healthy" peanut oil for us!)

At least that's what my momma told me.

I believe the taste buds differ in those south of Mason-Dixon . You guys also call grits what we Mainers call porridge . I grit my teeth when I see Bubba choking tugboat. I don't eat porridge for breakfast....
                ...some more useless knowledge:
                        Dexter High School of Dexter ,Maine (enrollment of under 300) decorated the school by painting numbers (in school colors) that carried pi to the 10,000th decimal .

[Atlanta Blue]

Dexter High School of Dexter ,Maine (enrollment of under 300) decorated the school by painting numbers (in school colors) that carried pi to the 10,000th decimal .

Pi day isn't until tomorrow!

But it also an event that happens just once a century.  Just before 9:30 tomorrow morning, the clock will read:

3-14-15 9:26:53.59

or Pi to the 11th decimal place.   

[Atlanta Blue]

You guys also call grits what we Mainers call porridge . I grit my teeth when I see Bubba choking tugboat. I don't eat porridge for breakfast....

Oh, we have SO much to teach you, Ralph.

Porridge is usually oats, grits are corn.  My Italian father first had grits, and said, "Oh, it's polenta". 

And no Southerner would ever be caught dead adding sugar or syrup to grits!  When I was in college, we had a dormmate from Pennsylvania.  In the cafeteria, he would regularly have grits for breakfast.  But he would warn the Southerners to hide their eyes while he added sugar to his grits.

And PLEASE, don't confuse those instant or even 5 minute things you find in the grocery as real grits.  Grits take a minimum of 20 and more like 30 minutes to cook.

I know a Mainer would laugh at us for calling that Log Cabin stuff in a bottle "Maple Syrup".  I'm sure to a New Englander, that's maple flavored water.

[VALJ]

What?  Everyone knows that the highest and best use for a chicken is to be floured, seasoned, and fried in a black cast iron skillet full of melted lard. (None of that "healthy" peanut oil for us!)

Dunno about that, Bama.  I prefer it covered in marinara and cheese and served over pasta.

I also, despite living south of the Mason-Dixon line for 29 years in August, have never developed the taste for grits.  I've learned to call it "soda" instead of "pop", and I've learned that "y'all" can be both plural AND singular, but I just can't make myself eat grits.

[bama_stripes]

I've learned to call it "soda" instead of "pop",

Wrong.

Whatever the brand name, it's "coke".  As in: "What kinda coke y'all want -- Pepsi or RC?"