Author Topic: Play Situations (Read 239678 times)

Legacy Zebra · « **Reply #175 on:** July 22, 2015, 08:29:08 PM »

If the bat was forward, it would be a foul. The only enforcement spot is the previous spot. It is a scrimmage kick play and does not qualify for PSK. Since B is responsible for it being on the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback. The penalty for batting would only put them at the 17, so Team A will decline the penalty and take the ball at the 20. Clock starts on the snap since there was a legal kick play.

BlindZebra · « **Reply #176 on:** July 23, 2015, 09:51:17 AM »

Quote from: robin083 on July 20, 2015, 08:50:47 AM

4th/12 at A7. The snap hits blocking back A34's chest who is not aligned in the end zone and rolls along the ground. B67 bats the ball backward from A's 2 yard line. After being batted, the ball hits B54 on A's 4 and rolls into A's end zone. A3 picks up the ball and punts. The punt is blocked and the ball goes out of A's end zone without entering the field of play.

Say the ball was batted forward instead of backwards by B and A3 never got the punt off and was tackled in his end zone. What is your ruling now?

BlindZebra · « **Reply #177 on:** July 24, 2015, 09:12:43 AM »

Quote from: BlindZebra on July 23, 2015, 09:51:17 AM

Say the ball was batted forward instead of backwards by B and A3 never got the punt off and was tackled in his end zone. What is your ruling now?

A 4/2 @ A17 or A 1/10 @ A20. A will decline the penalty and take the touchback

A K/O A-35. A-2 (not the Kicker) has a foot on the ground at the A-36 when the ball is kicked .The kick is muffed by B1 at the B-4 yard line. A3, in an attempt to recover the ball muffs the ball into and out of team B's End Zone. During the kick B4,B5,B6 come together to form a blocking wedge. Prior to the muff by B1 the 3 B blockers separate and go separate ways.

Legacy Zebra · « **Reply #178 on:** July 24, 2015, 02:14:30 PM »

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A K/O A-35. A-2 (not the Kicker) has a foot on the ground at the A-36 when the ball is kicked .The kick is muffed by B1 at the B-4 yard line. A3, in an attempt to recover the ball muffs the ball into and out of team B's End Zone. During the kick B4,B5,B6 come together to form a blocking wedge. Prior to the muff by B1 the 3 B blockers separate and go separate ways.

Team B's ball, 1/10 @ B-30.

The free kick is still the impetus of the ball going into the end zone, so it is a touchback and the ball belongs to Team B at the 25. Because the result of the play is a touchback, there is no foul for an illegal wedge. The offside on A is enforced from where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B which moves the ball to the B-30. Or Team B could have A rekick from the A-30.

Bwest · « **Reply #179 on:** July 25, 2015, 06:42:57 PM »

B-8, A-0. A scores a touchdown during which time expires for the second period. On the try, A's pass is intercepted by B84 in the end zone. He returns it 100 yards and crosses the goal line. During the return, B57 punches A48.

Kalle · « **Reply #180 on:** July 26, 2015, 01:35:32 AM »

Quote from: Bwest on July 25, 2015, 06:42:57 PM

B-8, A-0. A scores a touchdown during which time expires for the second period. On the try, A's pass is intercepted by B84 in the end zone. He returns it 100 yards and crosses the goal line. During the return, B57 punches A48.

Score is cancelled and period ends. Enforce 15 yards from the second half kickoff. It does not matter where the foul happens.

goodgrr · « **Reply #181 on:** July 26, 2015, 03:34:36 AM »

Also B57 ejected

Morningrise · « **Reply #182 on:** July 27, 2015, 04:09:48 PM »

Quote from: BlindZebra on July 16, 2015, 02:13:51 PM

I like the answer...any objections? The AR you are looking for is 9-3-3-IX. I didn't know that was in the book until this past weekend when someone showed me. I thought he was crazy for saying that it was a legal block when the block was outside the blocking zone. Then he showed me that. Crow tastes great at 7:00 in the morning.

This was a surprise to me as well. Does it also apply to clipping, then? The exception for blocks in the back during initial line play is worded almost exactly the same as the exception for clipping.

BlindZebra · « **Reply #183 on:** July 28, 2015, 11:48:02 AM »

Quote from: Morningrise on July 27, 2015, 04:09:48 PM

This was a surprise to me as well. Does it also apply to clipping, then? The exception for blocks in the back during initial line play is worded almost exactly the same as the exception for clipping.

You know I do not know and I am not a reliable source for this answer, but I would assume that it is not. Since clipping is a major foul and blocking in the back is not...I would err on the side of safety. Clipping has to do with the knees and it seems any block against the knees is high priority. You miss those fouls and you hear about it the very next day. Yes, clipping is legal inside the blocking zone (clipping zone for the old vets), but that zone dissolves once the ball leaves that zone. The clipping zone is so small that pretty much after the snap, the ball is out of the zone, the zone is gone and clipping is illegal again. I would love to see the lineman that can pull this off legally in that short amount of time!

jg-me · « **Reply #184 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:55:54 PM »

Keep in mind that even within the zone, clipping at or below the knees is still illegal.

dvasques · « **Reply #185 on:** July 29, 2015, 11:39:26 PM »

stolen from the national CFO test

After A23 is the first to touch a punt beyond the neutral zone at the B-25, B45 recovers at the B-30. B45 fumbles at the B-35, and while the ball is loose B80 clips at the B-40. A39 recovers and carries the ball across Team B’s goal line.

could, for whatever reason, A accept the penalty? Or is that a decline by rule situation?

Kalle · « **Reply #186 on:** July 30, 2015, 03:11:09 AM »

Quote from: dvasques on July 29, 2015, 11:39:26 PM

stolen from the national CFO test

After A23 is the first to touch a punt beyond the neutral zone at the B-25, B45 recovers at the B-30. B45 fumbles at the B-35, and while the ball is loose B80 clips at the B-40. A39 recovers and carries the ball across Team B’s goal line.

could, for whatever reason, A accept the penalty? Or is that a decline by rule situation?

Clipping is a personal foul so it is carried over (10-2-5-a-1). Team A can elect either try from B-1.5 or the next kickoff (if any) from A-50.

BlindZebra · « **Reply #187 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:25:26 AM »

Quote from: dvasques on July 29, 2015, 11:39:26 PM

stolen from the national CFO test

After A23 is the first to touch a punt beyond the neutral zone at the B-25, B45 recovers at the B-30. B45 fumbles at the B-35, and while the ball is loose B80 clips at the B-40. A39 recovers and carries the ball across Team B’s goal line.

could, for whatever reason, A accept the penalty? Or is that a decline by rule situation?

Quote from: Kalle on July 30, 2015, 03:11:09 AM

Clipping is a personal foul so it is carried over (10-2-5-a-1). Team A can elect either try from B-1.5 or the next kickoff (if any) from A-50.

Yep. Go look at 5-2-4 exception. Had a discussion about this one in my study group.

dvasques · « **Reply #188 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:13:24 PM »

right... so PF is just as it would be in any other situation..

however, if this was not PF by B during the fumble

could A accept the penalty to avoid a better spot for B's 1/10 then the illegal touch spot by A?

Kalle · « **Reply #189 on:** July 30, 2015, 12:31:47 PM »

Quote from: dvasques on July 30, 2015, 12:13:24 PM

right... so PF is just as it would be in any other situation..

however, if this was not PF by B during the fumble

could A accept the penalty to avoid a better spot for B's 1/10 then the illegal touch spot by A?

Do you mean the PF is either during the kick, run by B45 or run by A39? In all of these cases it is still a TD and the penalty carries over.

If you mean a non-PF foul by team B during the fumble then team A has the option of enforcing the penalty as a running play foul or declining and forcing team B to take the ball at the spot of illegal touching.

And the cherry on top: non-PF foul by team B during the run by A39: penalty declined by rule, ball belongs to team B at the spot of the illegal touching.

dvasques · « **Reply #190 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:29:09 AM »

Quote from: Kalle on July 30, 2015, 12:31:47 PM

Do you mean the PF is either during the kick, run by B45 or run by A39? In all of these cases it is still a TD and the penalty carries over.

If you mean a non-PF foul by team B during the fumble then team A has the option of enforcing the penalty as a running play foul or declining and forcing team B to take the ball at the spot of illegal touching.

And the cherry on top: non-PF foul by team B during the run by A39: penalty declined by rule, ball belongs to team B at the spot of the illegal touching.

the cherry on top I knew from another post around here... it's the non-PF during the fumble that I was in doubt if could be enforced as a foul during a running play

thanks Kalle

dvasques · « **Reply #191 on:** July 31, 2015, 07:33:25 PM »

1/10 @ B-25.
B37 intercepts a legal forward pass at the B-5 and returns the ball to the B-25, where he is tackled.
During the run, B78 holds in his end zone.

I thought that enforcement would call for safety but reading the penalty statement for holding, it says it will be holding if the foul happens inside A's end zone, which is not the case.

So, taking the penalty, where is it enforced from?

Legacy Zebra · « **Reply #192 on:** July 31, 2015, 07:46:30 PM »

It's still a safety. The "in Team A's end zone" language is in a paragraph dealing with fouls behind the neutral zone. Your play is not a foul behind the neutral zone and therefore that rule does not apply. The basic spot is the end of the run, the foul was behind the basic spot, the spot of the foul was in the end zone, therefore it's a safety.

dvasques · « **Reply #193 on:** July 31, 2015, 07:55:28 PM »

I was going for safety on this one but couldn't find where it says fouls in the end zone are safety besides that statement about foul behind the neutral zone

dvasques · « **Reply #194 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:02:49 PM »

Nevermind...

8-5-1-b

AR 6-5-4-I

AR 8-5-1-V

Kalle · « **Reply #195 on:** August 01, 2015, 02:10:08 AM »

The penalty statement for holding specifies the team A end zone because if it didn't, the foul would be enforced from the previous spot, which the rules makers didn't want.

BlindZebra · « **Reply #196 on:** August 05, 2015, 12:02:29 PM »

Try from B3. Team A lines up and A77 false starts. After the penalty enforcement and snap, A11's kick is blocked by B42. The ball is recovered by B25 at the B16 where he is downed. B42 was flagged for being in the neutral zone before the snap. Team A elects to accept the penalty and also asks that the ball be placed on the B6 on the left has mark. Ruling?

Kalle · « **Reply #197 on:** August 05, 2015, 01:09:50 PM »

Quote from: BlindZebra on August 05, 2015, 12:02:29 PM

Try from B3. Team A lines up and A77 false starts. After the penalty enforcement and snap, A11's kick is blocked by B42. The ball is recovered by B25 at the B16 where he is downed. B42 was flagged for being in the neutral zone before the snap. Team A elects to accept the penalty and also asks that the ball be placed on the B6 on the left has mark. Ruling?

Repeat the try from the left hash, B-6 yard line. 8-3-2-c, especially this year's change.

BlindZebra · « **Reply #198 on:** August 13, 2015, 01:52:47 PM »

4/9 on the A-45. As the punt is coming down at the B-12, it bounces off the shoulder of A25 (no receiver is in the area - no KCI) and then bounces off the hands of B8 at the B-10. A25 recovers the kick in the end zone. During the kick, B44 pulls A52 to the ground. Result of the play?

Bwest · « **Reply #199 on:** August 13, 2015, 02:52:00 PM »

Quote from: BlindZebra on August 13, 2015, 01:52:47 PM

4/9 on the A-45. As the punt is coming down at the B-12, it bounces off the shoulder of A25 (no receiver is in the area - no KCI) and then bounces off the hands of B8 at the B-10. A25 recovers the kick in the end zone. During the kick, B44 pulls A52 to the ground. Result of the play?

I've got A 1/10 @ B-45, snap, 25.