Author Topic: 2015 CFO bulletin #2 released (Read 23195 times)

Morningrise · « **on:** November 16, 2015, 10:41:50 AM »

#1 is a surprise to Jim Harbaugh but not to the officials who worked his game.
#4 makes an interesting distinction.
#5 is presumably a prelude to a 2016 editorial change.

bkdow · « **Reply #1 on:** November 16, 2015, 11:18:15 AM »

It's going to be tough to explain to Team A's coach on number 6 since the ball never hit the ground.

mishatx · « **Reply #2 on:** November 16, 2015, 11:55:20 AM »

My question on #6, is what if B77 catches the pass? Do we flag that for intentional grounding? Could make a big difference if there is a flag on B22 for DH.

Andrew McCarthy · « **Reply #3 on:** November 16, 2015, 02:59:29 PM »

On first or second down, a team is very unlikely to punt, so it is not obvious that a kick may be attempted... On third or fourth down a team may be likely to kick.

He's not watching the same games I am.

Andrew McCarthy · « **Reply #4 on:** November 16, 2015, 03:02:38 PM »

Quote from: mishatx on November 16, 2015, 11:55:20 AM

My question on #6, is what if B77 catches the pass? Do we flag that for intentional grounding? Could make a big difference if there is a flag on B22 for DH.

Yes. He does catch the pass in the bulletin play.

I'd suggest starting the announcement with something like "The pass was caught by an ineligible player".

TxBJ · « **Reply #5 on:** November 16, 2015, 03:27:49 PM »

Quote from: mishatx on November 16, 2015, 11:55:20 AM

My question on #6, is what if B77 catches the pass? Do we flag that for intentional grounding? Could make a big difference if there is a flag on B22 for DH.

Yes, intentional grounding even if B77 intercepts the pass if there is no eligible team A receiver in the area.

Kalle · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2015, 01:32:21 AM »

Could somebody post the bulletin here? I don't have access to the CFO web site this year.

NVFOA_Ump · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2015, 02:07:41 AM »

2015 CFO bulletin #2 attached.

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cperezprg · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2015, 02:23:27 AM »

It seems to be a typo in play 4. Thera are two players numbered #44 in team A (lineman and passer)

Kalle · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2015, 02:39:18 AM »

Quote from: Andrew McCarthy on November 16, 2015, 02:59:29 PM

He's not watching the same games I am.

Teams actually punt on the 1st or 2nd down over there? I think I've never seen a punt on other than 3rd or 4th down.

You could of course argue that A44 could attempt a drop kick field goal attempt but that would be a stretch.

Aussie-Zebra · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2015, 02:48:43 AM »

Quote from: Morningrise on November 16, 2015, 10:41:50 AM

#1 is a surprise to Jim Harbaugh but not to the officials who worked his game.

I noticed that and thought it's more than a coincidence.

Aussie-Zebra · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2015, 02:58:05 AM »

Quote from: Kalle on November 17, 2015, 01:32:21 AM

Could somebody post the bulletin here? I don't have access to the CFO web site this year.

https://cfo.arbitersports.com/front/104777/Registration/2015-All-Others-Registration/Non-OfficialNon-Coordinator-Payment

only $75/yr Kalle.

Texas or Massachusetts officials pay $30/yr.

Kalle · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2015, 04:31:07 AM »

Quote from: Aussie-Zebra on November 17, 2015, 02:58:05 AM

https://cfo.arbitersports.com/front/104777/Registration/2015-All-Others-Registration/Non-OfficialNon-Coordinator-Payment

only $75/yr Kalle.

Texas or Massachusetts officials pay $30/yr.

I know and I did pay the CFO price for one year. I didn't find it useful for me so I don't any more.

Aussie-Zebra · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2015, 04:41:40 AM »

They put the price up to $150 and wouldn't send the welcome packet internationally, which I thought was a bit rich.

So I was more than happy to find the "others" category
at half the price. I trying to get them to allow us to register similar to Texas and Massachusetts @ $30.

Andrew McCarthy · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2015, 07:05:02 AM »

Quote from: Kalle on November 17, 2015, 02:39:18 AM

Teams actually punt on the 1st or 2nd down over there? I think I've never seen a punt on other than 3rd or 4th down.

No, teams do not punt on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down.

Kalle · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2015, 07:08:31 AM »

Quote from: Andrew McCarthy on November 17, 2015, 07:05:02 AM

No, teams do not punt on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down.

Now I'm confused as to your earlier comment about RR not watching the same games as you? He was definitely talking about punts (note the explicit fact that there was no holder), not field goal attempts.

Andrew McCarthy · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2015, 09:31:19 AM »

Quote from: Kalle on November 17, 2015, 07:08:31 AM

Now I'm confused as to your earlier comment about RR not watching the same games as you? He was definitely talking about punts (note the explicit fact that there was no holder), not field goal attempts.

RR says it meets the requirement that “it is obvious that a kick may be attempted” because on third or fourth down a team may be likely to kick.

I see a lot of college football and I've never seen a team punt on third down. I'm not sure why he thinks a team "may be likely" to kick on third down if it never happens.

Kalle · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2015, 02:05:59 PM »

Quote from: Andrew McCarthy on November 17, 2015, 09:31:19 AM

I see a lot of college football and I've never seen a team punt on third down. I'm not sure why he thinks a team "may be likely" to kick on third down if it never happens.

Don't know if it happens in NCAA but over here I've seen teams (or actually QB's) who have had the habit of (quick) punting on a third down. Not often, but more than once.

bossman72 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2015, 01:21:20 PM »

Quote from: Kalle on November 17, 2015, 02:05:59 PM

Don't know if it happens in NCAA but over here I've seen teams (or actually QB's) who have had the habit of (quick) punting on a third down. Not often, but more than once.

But this is usually with their normal offense on the field and no numbering exceptions... which is why I'm puzzled RR put 3rd down in his interpretation. I have never ever in my life seen a team line up in full obvious numbering exception punt formation and put the ball on 3rd down. Never.

TXMike · « **Reply #19 on:** November 26, 2015, 08:40:58 AM »

Quote from: Morningrise on November 16, 2015, 10:41:50 AM

#1 is a surprise to Jim Harbaugh but not to the officials who worked his game.
#4 makes an interesting distinction.
#5 is presumably a prelude to a 2016 editorial change.

5 confused me. He says it is an illegal fwd pass but then says the spirit and intent are that he was still the player who received the snap.So why would it be a foul? He was outside tackle box and ball went beyond NZ.

Kalle · « **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2015, 08:49:48 AM »

Quote from: TXMike on November 26, 2015, 08:40:58 AM

5 confused me. He says it is an illegal fwd pass but then says the spirit and intent are that he was still the player who received the snap.So why would it be a foul? He was outside tackle box and ball went beyond NZ.

Isn't he saying that the spirit and the intent is that he doesn't give the ball away before eventually passing it?

TxBJ · « **Reply #21 on:** November 26, 2015, 09:17:52 AM »

Quote from: Kalle on November 26, 2015, 08:49:48 AM

Isn't he saying that the spirit and the intent is that he doesn't give the ball away before eventually passing it?

That's the way I read it.

TXMike · « **Reply #22 on:** November 26, 2015, 09:24:24 AM »

That is what it sounds like so why doe she then say it is an illegal pass?

TxBJ · « **Reply #23 on:** November 26, 2015, 10:46:26 AM »

He is saying the spirit and intent is that the person receiving the snap does not give the ball away in order to keep the right to dump the ball, provided the other provisions are met. In this case he did give it away, so even though he got it back it is an illegal pass when he throws it away.

TXMike · « **Reply #24 on:** November 26, 2015, 10:57:04 AM »

Disagree. He said the ball was not given away until it was passed. Therefore, A11 is allowed to legally throw the ball away if he meets the requirements, i.e. outside tackle box AND ball crosses or lands beyond the NZ. If A11 can legally throw it away, how is this a foul?

Illegal Forward Pass
5. Second and 10 at the A-40. A11 in a shotgun formation takes the backward pass
from the snapper and hands the ball off to back A44. A44 takes a few steps toward the
line of scrimmage and then throws a backward pass to A11, who is still inside the tackle
box. Avoiding tacklers, A11 scrambles outside the tackle box, and unable to find an
open receiver, at the A-35 he throws the ball out of bounds beyond the neutral zone.
RULING: Illegal forward pass. Loss of down at the A-35; third and 15. While the
exception to Rule 7-3-2-h applies to the player who receives the ball from the snapper,
the spirit and intent of the rule is that he does not give up the ball until he throws the
forward pass. (7-3-2-h)