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Offline BoBo

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Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« on: December 08, 2015, 05:20:30 PM »
Iowa fans have been bringing this play up and they have asked if this was targeting on this play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJx714eHzHw&feature=youtu.be

-Thanks TXMike for the help on the video.


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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2015, 05:49:23 PM »
Targeting ^flag

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2015, 06:19:48 PM »
Nah

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2015, 06:26:29 PM »
Yes.  ^flag

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2015, 06:54:16 PM »
 yEs:
" I don't make the rules coach!"

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2015, 07:34:26 PM »
I say no, because it looks to me like the defender is trying to go lower, but the receiver falling causes the contact to be high.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2015, 07:41:14 PM »
it's not TGT because this is shoulder to shoulder contact, secondly (not that it matters because it is shoulder contact) but there is a position change by the reciever

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2015, 07:41:19 PM »
Defenseless receiver? Check.

Initiating forcible contact to the head or neck area? Check

Targeting.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2015, 07:47:08 PM »
On a practical level, is anyone ever going to be able to call a foul in this precise situation?  I dare anyone to say that they wouldn't be distracted from the hit by the tipped ball.  Even if you're watching it on video and you know it's coming it's still hard not to look at the loose ball.  I certainly would be.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2015, 08:52:49 PM »
Defenseless: Yes
Forcible contact to head or neck area: Looks like shoulder to shoulder hit, the defender actually turns his shoulders.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 09:58:10 PM »
I dare anyone to say that they wouldn't be distracted from the hit by the tipped ball.
??? Uhhhhhh that's exactly what they pay us to do.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2015, 07:51:00 AM »
Does the defender behind the receiver make intial contact to cause the the change of the receivers planes?

If so it is difficult for me to call a target as the DB has such a limited time and spaced to make a last second change of strike zone.

Just my opinion

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2015, 08:00:16 AM »
My initial reaction watching it live was TGT

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2015, 08:32:50 AM »
These camera shots may not be the best but IMO the forcible contact is to the shoulder and not to the head or neck area. It's a great play to discuss with your crew to cover who will be watching the hit and who will be watching the catch. Looks like these guys had this one covered pretty well.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2015, 02:46:15 PM »
Iowa fans should be screaming more about the Chop Block not called on the 4th and 2 at the end of the game (watch what the C and LG does to the LB) ... MSU would have had 4th and 15 at the on the Iowa 17 with the score 13-9 Iowa and less than 2 min in the game if that play would have been properly called....
« Last Edit: December 10, 2015, 10:38:13 AM by Dakota Dan »

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2015, 04:49:39 PM »
TXMike can you score the possible chop block that above is speaking of?

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2015, 05:33:50 PM »
Targeting Shoulder to helmet  ^flag

The receivers head would not go back like that if it was shoulder to shoulder.
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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2015, 05:56:42 PM »
I like the debate on this play, I would be interested to hear what Rogers has to say on the hit

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2015, 10:39:51 AM »
TXMike can you score the possible chop block that above is speaking of?


http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400852682

Go to the 1:18 of the clip and watch what the C and LG does to the LB (#36) on the second level

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2015, 10:53:15 AM »

http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400852682

Go to the 1:18 of the clip and watch what the C and LG does to the LB (#36) on the second level

Looks incriminating, but that's a tough get for the covering officials.  Possible the LG engages slightly above the waist, too.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2015, 11:36:16 AM »
At full speed it looked fine. In slo-mo... ouch.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2015, 11:52:31 AM »

http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400852682

Go to the 1:18 of the clip and watch what the C and LG does to the LB (#36) on the second level

Hm... yeah, that looks pretty bad. Should be the U that gets this... vaguely possible the deep wing on that side could get it if they've read run at that stage and started monitoring blocks in front of the play.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2015, 12:19:43 PM »
Looks like a point of attack chop block to me.  Somebody (the U?) needs to get this one.  The 2nd level chops (beyond the LOS) can be tough because there are so many moving bodies crossing paths but we need to get this one.
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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2015, 01:26:07 PM »

http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400852682

Go to the 1:18 of the clip and watch what the C and LG does to the LB (#36) on the second level

Definitely a chop.  This would be the U all the way.  His primary focus is second level blocks in 8 man.

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Re: Big10 CCG.. Target or Not on Mich St in the EZ?
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2015, 03:41:51 PM »
Hopefully, there will be some additional clarification as to determining what "targeting" is now meant to be.  Previously, a "Cheap Shot", Unnecessary Roughness and even "Head to Head" seemed a lot clearer to understand, and respond to.  Personally, I doubt the human eye is capable, nor the intent of the rule makers was to call these plays down to the subjective level of a gnat's eyelash in determine responsibility for moving contact when equal efforts are traveling in opposite directions.

Strange, but despite all the technological advances "Replay" has brought to the table, there doesn't seem to be much, if any, change in the immediate conclusions and opinions instantly created, regardless of what any amount of replay detail may provide.