Enforcement spot after scrimmage kick

[#92]

3. PLAY: 4th/6 B46. A87 bats A4's untouched punt from B's end zone back into the field of play. The ball never touches the ground on B's end zone. The ball hits on B's 4 where B44 recovers, advances to B's 16 and fumbles. A67 recovers and advances to B's 14 where he fumbles. B74 recovers while grounded on B's 12. A56 commits a personal foul on B's 24 during the punt.

3. RULING: B 1/10 B35. The touching occurred in B's end zone and the foul occurred during the punt play. The options are (a) Team B may elect the touchback before the penalty is enforced. The 15-yard penalty is then enforced from B's 20. (b) Team B could have the penalty enforced from the previous spot, B's 46. It would be A 4/21 A39. (c) Team B could have the penalty enforced from the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B, B's 12. It would be B 1/10 B27. Team B will most likely take option (a). Team B will most likely take option (c) if B74 recovered the ball while grounded in advance of B's 20.

I don't see how option (a) would work? Rule 6-3-11 refers to Rule 6-3-2, so that would also include Rule 6-3-2-b, right?

And since it's a Team A foul, PSK doesn't apply.

[bkdow]

Rule 9, Section 1 says this: For Team A fouls during free or scrimmage kick plays: Enforcement may be either at the previous spot or the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B (field-goal
plays exempted) (Rules 6-1-8 and 6-3-13).

[#92]

That's option (c), not option (a).

[bkdow]

Since the first touching occurred in the endzone, the subsequent deadball for this option would be at the 20 yardline.  So, Team B would have the 15 yards added to the end from the 20 making it 1/10 at the 35 yard line.

[Legacy Zebra]

I think Rom got this wrong. I think this changed with the editorial change that snuck into 6-3-11. I believe the old rule said that an accepted penalty dos no in cancel this type of illegal touching, but offsetting fouls would. Now, it is treated just like any other IT, other than the PSK aspect of being the spot where the kick ends. Look at AR 6-3-11-V. The accepted penalty cancels the illegal touching. They can either decline the penalty and take the illegal touching for a touchback, accept it and enforce it from the dead ball spot, or enforce it at the previous spot and replay the down. The subsequent dead ball is not at the 20. The ball is dead at the B12. Although if it were a PSK foul, you would treat the 20 as the PSK spot because 6-3-11 is in effect.

[Bwest]

I think Rom got this wrong. I think this changed with the editorial change that snuck into 6-3-11. I believe the old rule said that an accepted penalty dos no in cancel this type of illegal touching, but offsetting fouls would. Now, it is treated just like any other IT, other than the PSK aspect of being the spot where the kick ends. Look at AR 6-3-11-V. The accepted penalty cancels the illegal touching. They can either decline the penalty and take the illegal touching for a touchback, accept it and enforce it from the dead ball spot, or enforce it at the previous spot and replay the down. The subsequent dead ball is not at the 20. The ball is dead at the B12. Although if it were a PSK foul, you would treat the 20 as the PSK spot because 6-3-11 is in effect.

Rom was right in 2013 when this ruling was written. The rule has since changed to what you describe.

[#92]

Didn't consider that... I was using Ruletool.info as source, but my hard copy of the 2013-2014 Rules indeed states as above.

Sorry for the fuss :-)