Scrimmage Kick Formation

[TXMike]

4th and 10 at the A-40.  Apparent punter is standing at the A-32.  5 minutes left in 1st half, A is winning 20-13. Game clock is running as  Play clock expires. Does clock start on the snap or the RFP?

[Legacy Zebra]

RFP. Same situation with 5 minutes to go in the second half, I would use 3-4-3 and go on the snap.

[NVFOA_Ump]

RFP. Same situation with 5 minutes to go in the second half, I would use 3-4-3 and go on the snap.

Agree - 2nd quarter at 5 minutes is probably too early to be using 3-4-3, but 4th quarter its a good fit.

[DallasLJ]

Agree - 2nd quarter at 5 minutes is probably too early to be using 3-4-3, but 4th quarter its a good fit.

  I would go RFP in both 2nd and 4th Quarter with 5 minutes left -- unless Team A was taking multiple delays or FSTs that I deemed intentional or unfair.  I am generally not going to invoke 3-4-3 with more than 3 minutes on the clock.

[refbuz]

It's close enough. Start it on the Snap.

3-3-2-d-11

[Legacy Zebra]

That's the trap TXMike wanted you to fall into. A single kicker 8 yards deep no longer qualifies as a scrimmage kick formation. This situation is no longer automatically on the snap.

[refbuz]

D'oh, didn't see the changes...

[TXMike]

That's the trap TXMike wanted you to fall into. A single kicker 8 yards deep no longer qualifies as a scrimmage kick formation. This situation is no longer automatically on the snap.

  C'mon Man!!!  I don't roll that way.   
I really was just trying to get some opinions on invoking ref discretion .  Not trying to highlight the rule change.  Honest!!!

[NVFOA_Ump]

That's the trap TXMike wanted you to fall into. A single kicker 8 yards deep no longer qualifies as a scrimmage kick formation. This situation is no longer automatically on the snap.

I'm not sure it's a "trap"    but my view of this type of play is that we need to make a value judgment as to the "intent" of team A here and if this occurs late in the 4th quarter and in our view the reason for the DOG flag was due to a "we don't really care" attitude then IMO go on the snap.  Agreed that it's not "automatic" in any case.

[Kalle]

I'm not sure it's a "trap"    but my view of this type of play is that we need to make a value judgment as to the "intent" of team A here and if this occurs late in the 4th quarter and in our view the reason for the DOG flag was due to a "we don't really care" attitude then IMO go on the snap.  Agreed that it's not "automatic" in any case.

3-3-2-d-11 doesn't say that you can't invoke 3-4-3 in other cases, it is specific for one situation only. So, in a scrimmage kick formation you don't need to involve judgement, in other formations you need to make a judgement call.

[fearlessleader]

You had me right up until you put "honest" in there.