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Offline sj_31

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FG rule
« on: July 10, 2016, 04:16:23 PM »
A 4/10 @ B-30. A1s FG attempt is blocked at the LOS. It then goes beyond the NZ and lands at the B-25, then bounces back behind the NZ still untouched to the B-35 where it is muffed by B1. It then rolls and:

A) is recovered by A2 at the B-25
B) is recovered by A2 at the B-35
C) goes out of bounds at the B-25
D) goes out of bounds at the B-35

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Offline dvasques

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Re: FG rule
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2016, 06:06:54 PM »
A) B 1/10 @B-30

8-4-2-b-1 unsuccessfull FG crosses the NZ, untouched by B beyond NZ and dead beyond NZ.

B) A 1/10 @ B-35
8-4-2-b-3. Ball untouched by B beyond the NZ, dead behind NZ, all rules pertaining to scrimmage kick applies.
6-3-3 all eligible because the ball has crossed the NZ and been touched by B (even if behind the NZ after it has crossed the zone). And 6-3-6-a, B's ball with legal possession.

C) B 1/10 @ B-30
8-4-2-b-1

D) B 11/10 @ B-35
8-4-2-b-3 and 6-3-7
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Re: FG rule
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016, 03:00:26 AM »
To make things more interesting, what are the rulings if the play is a punt and not a FG attempt?
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Re: FG rule
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2016, 08:37:19 AM »
Quote from: dvasques on July 10, 2016, 06:06:54 PM
A) B 1/10 @B-30

I have A's ball.  Kick that has crossed the NZ was touched by B, therefore, A can recover for a fresh 1st and 10.
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Re: FG rule
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2016, 09:01:29 AM »
Quote from: Kalle on July 11, 2016, 03:00:26 AM
To make things more interesting, what are the rulings if the play is a punt and not a FG attempt?
A kick is a kick is a kick. A punt is a scrimmage kick. A FG attempt is a scrimmage kick that can score. Agree with bossman that once B touches it beyond the NZ, A can recover for a new series.
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Re: FG rule
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016, 11:53:35 AM »
Quote from: bossman72 on July 11, 2016, 08:37:19 AM
I have A's ball.  Kick that has crossed the NZ was touched by B, therefore, A can recover for a fresh 1st and 10.

Yeah, I had that also at first. Then I started being too smart for my own good and ignored 6-3-3
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Re: FG rule
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2016, 11:56:22 AM »
Quote from: Rulesman on July 11, 2016, 09:01:29 AM
A kick is a kick is a kick. A punt is a scrimmage kick. A FG attempt is a scrimmage kick that can score. Agree with bossman that once B touches it beyond the NZ, A can recover for a new series.

But there would be a difference on C and D because 8-4-2-b-1 would not kick in so we wouldn't have B's ball at the previous spot
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Re: FG rule
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2016, 05:14:47 PM »
Quote from: dvasques on July 11, 2016, 11:56:22 AM
But there would be a difference on C and D because 8-4-2-b-1 would not kick in so we wouldn't have B's ball at the previous spot
Correct
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Re: FG rule
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 04:22:15 AM »
I always forget if RR has ruled that despite the clear difference in language the actual result should be the same when a scrimmage kick crosses the neutral zone and is then touched by team B only behind the NZ.

8-4-2-b-1: "If the ball untouched by Team B beyond the neutral zone is declared dead beyond the neutral zone, it belongs to Team B."

6-3-3: "When a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone touches a player of the receiving team who is inbounds, any player may catch or recover the ball (Rule 6-3-1-b) (Exceptions: Rules 6-3-4 and 6-5-1-b)."

Note that in rule 8-4-2-b-1 it is explicitly stated that the touching must happen beyond the NZ for rule 8-4-2-b-1 not to apply. In 6-3-3 the touching can happen anywhere on the field.
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