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Offline HoustonUmp

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What is stationary?
« on: July 26, 2016, 11:29:25 AM »
I have heard conflicting answers for this.  Is a back who goes in motion and then stops, inside the tackle box, but continues to jog in place restricted in his blocking below the waist?  Some have told me that since he is jogging he is not stationary, but others have said since he is not moving laterally or forward or backward that he is considered to be stationary.  What is the proper ruling for NCAA purposes? ???

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Re: What is stationary?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2016, 12:57:35 PM »
Under the rules there is only 2 possible "states" for a back who was initially set and then gone in motion to be in, he's in motion or re-set.  There aren't any others.  If after he goes in motion he's "jogging in place", he's still in motion under the rules.

The only AR that I can find on the subject:

Offensive Team Requirements—At the Snap—ARTICLE 4 - Approved Ruling 7-1-4

I. A30, lined up legally as a back, starts in motion legally. He then turns so that he still is legally in motion but is facing his line of scrimmage using a “side-step” motion. At the snap, A30 is bent slightly forward at the waist and is either continuing his “side-step” motion or is “marking time” in place. RULING: Legal.
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Re: What is stationary?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2016, 01:13:07 PM »
I know the back is still legal.  I am not sure of his restricted or nonrestricted status for blocking purposes.

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Re: What is stationary?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2016, 04:38:19 PM »
From this language (Rule 7) I would say that the term stationary is synonymous with set:

RULE 7 / Snapping and Passing the Ball SECTION 1. The Scrimmage / Shift and False Start
ARTICLE 2. a. Shift. After a huddle (Rule 2-14) or shift (Rule 2-22-1) and before the snap, all Team A players must come to an absolute stop and remain stationary in their positions for at least one full second before the ball is snapped, without movement of the feet, body, head or arms

That would make him a restricted player per the BBW rules.
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What is stationary?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2016, 10:01:45 PM »
Previous versions of the BBW rule have considered this player in motion and therefore restricted.

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Re: What is stationary?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2016, 10:07:56 AM »
If you took the national test this year, there is a question relating to that.  Question number 28 addresses a player that has gone into motion and stops inside the tackle box while still running in place.  Answer was that it was a foul.  Makes sense because the player never really gets set.  Same previsions as illegal shift I would think.  If a back and a end go into motion at the same time and the back stops all movement and the end does the jogging in place, is that a shift?

28. Second and 10 at the A-30.  Back A22 is positioned wide to the left of the formation, eight yards from the ball.  He then goes in motion to his right and crosses beyond the ball.  At the snap he is behind the right guard, facing the line of scrimmage and running in place.

a.  A22 may block below the waist anywhere because he is inside the tackle box at the snap
b. A22 is restricted in blocking below the waist because he was in motion at the snap
c. A22 is restricted in blocking below the waist because his initial position was outside the tackle box
d. A22 is allowed to block below the waist as long as he does not leave the tackle box.
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Re: What is stationary?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2016, 02:06:35 PM »
I have heard conflicting answers for this.  Is a back who goes in motion and then stops, inside the tackle box, but continues to jog in place restricted in his blocking below the waist?  Some have told me that since he is jogging he is not stationary, but others have said since he is not moving laterally or forward or backward that he is considered to be stationary.  What is the proper ruling for NCAA purposes? ???

Has the back ended his motion?  No.  Therefore he's not stationary.