WMich/CMich How was this TGT overturned?

[BrendanP]

https://youtu.be/O8Te8Rzqtho?t=4189

I saw this play making the rounds on social media, and I was as shocked as the announcers were that this play was overturned. Now as you know, I'm 100% against the rule, but I would think that with the edict that RR issued last week that this would be upheld for the fact that he drove the crown of his helmet into the WM receiver's shoulder. Or do you think this was a good overturn?

[Etref]

Betcha there is a suspension waiting for a replay official

[scrounge]

This is an outrageous overturn, shameful. Perhaps it was more shoulder than head but it was enough on the head for me. The defender lowered his head and showed a callous and wanton disregard for the safety of the opponent. Maybe not enough to call from the booth IF the on-field crew didn't throw a flag, though I'd certainly support it. But to say THIS is definitive enough to pick up a flag is simply outrageous.

[goodgrr]

Question:  If a flag was thrown for 9-1-4 and replay decide it's 9-1-3, would they announce it any different?

[Fatman325]

So we have finally found a TGT that Brendan likes. In an unrelated story the forecast in Hades is for snow flurries.

[centexsports]

You can not take all the danger out of any sport.   I saw a defensive lineman blow an Achilles this weekend on his first step off the line without being touched.  I saw a high school quarterback (now playing at Tulsa and out for another knee injury) blow out a knee without being hit and in one of the TX state championships last year an all state back completely destroyed his knee at the two yard line making a simple cut. 

In the video play above, why penalize a player for a good tackle.   He did not target, launch or hit the receiver at the top of the shoulders or head.   I can see a flag being thrown in a split second call but the fact that the replay official overturned it to me was the proper thing to do.   Protect defenseless players from head injuries but don't penalize players for a good tackle.

[BrendanP]

So we have finally found a TGT that Brendan likes. In an unrelated story the forecast in Hades is for snow flurries.

I'll be against the rule itself until the day I die, but if you want me to interpret the rule, this is textbook. Centex has a point about the lack of an indicator and that may be what did it in the end (though the R announced the contact was shoulder to shoulder) but it didn't make any sense. Especially when the one I talked about two weeks ago where the defender was kicked out for trying to intercept the ball was upheld!

[TxBJ]

Especially when the one I talked about two weeks ago where the defender was kicked out for trying to intercept the ball was upheld!

I think you are talking about the Penn State vs. Michigan game. This play made the CFO game review video #2 that came out today and RR said replay should have overturned it.

[TxSkyBolt]

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[Fatman325]

I'll be against the rule itself until the day I die, but if you want me to interpret the rule, this is textbook. Centex has a point about the lack of an indicator and that may be what did it in the end (though the R announced the contact was shoulder to shoulder) but it didn't make any sense. Especially when the one I talked about two weeks ago where the defender was kicked out for trying to intercept the ball was upheld!

This is why you likely won't end up as a college official. You are trying to interpret rules when you have no standing to do so. Let the Coordinators do that and tell us what to do. The PSU confirmation was deemed to be incorrect. The WMU reversal appears to be correct and is based on some of the criteria that Centexsports highlighted.

[BrendanP]

Perhaps I worded this wrong, but isn't interpreting the rules and applying them to specific game situations what we do in every game? This sort of thing is why I want to get into the NCAA, because I want to have a say in these sorts of decisions. Quitting won't accomplish that.

[Grant - AR]

This sort of thing is why I want to get into the NCAA, because I want to have a say in these sorts of decisions. Quitting won't accomplish that.

Then you need to become a head coach at the NCAA level and get on the rules committee. If you think NCAA officials have more input, I'm afraid you will be disappointed if you ever get there.

[Fatman325]

Perhaps I worded this wrong, but isn't interpreting the rules and applying them to specific game situations what we do in every game? This sort of thing is why I want to get into the NCAA, because I want to have a say in these sorts of decisions. Quitting won't accomplish that.

As Carol said there isn't much interpretation left up to us. We are applying rules and mechanics as they are given to us. It doesn't really matter what I think, it matters what my supervisor and position grader thinks. As soon as I go out on my own, I get swatted on the nose with the newspaper and return to my doghouse.

Brendan have you begun the process to start officiating college football? I would recommend that you start as early as possible and attend meetings in your area. Supervisors today are hiring younger and sometimes age can be a barrier if you wait.