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drking432
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Definition of Leaping
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November 21, 2016, 10:11:04 PM »
Here's a play where a crew penalized a team for leaping on an extra point that they blocked and returned for a score. This was in a 2nd round playoff game in Texas. It seems that a lot of crews tend to forget about the last part of the leaping rule. Tell me what you think.
Here's the clip:
https://youtu.be/L-ZbKvODc6k
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DallasStripes
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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November 21, 2016, 10:27:10 PM »
How do you feel about the hurdling rule?
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bctgp
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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November 21, 2016, 11:41:07 PM »
What about hurdling? He was not the ball carrier.
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HOULJ
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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November 22, 2016, 07:25:15 AM »
I say no foul. He did not step, jump or stand on an opponent to gain advantage. He did not land on a player.
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Birddog
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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November 22, 2016, 09:31:16 AM »
I have nothing, looks like he jumped, leaped, hurdled between players not over, did not land on anyone, did not use anyone for leverage.
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bctgp
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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November 22, 2016, 10:24:55 AM »
If he did jump between 2 players and not over them (i.e. hurdling) then I agree we have nothing. The video is not the best to determine that but if that is the case I agree with no call here.
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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November 22, 2016, 11:53:06 AM »
I asked a similar question on the NCAA forum in relation to a play I was involved in:
http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=13043.msg
There seemed to be some debate in Europe about what constituted "over" in relation to a player hurdling over another. Hence my original question about in the gap as you'll still be over the legs of both players.
In an email conversation with Bill LeMonnier, he felt it shouldn't be called as ... "The intent of hurdling is going over an opponent who is not on the ground... the Center may technically not have a hand down on the ground but he's about as low to the ground without laying down as he can be. Again, the rules committee needs to redefine and show examples of what is and isn't. Until that happens I agree with your no-call"
Hope that helps.
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TxSkyBolt
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Definition of Leaping
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November 22, 2016, 12:25:46 PM »
First they need to understand the difference between a Leaping foul and a Hurdling foul. Clearly this player landed on no one so it's impossible to charge him with leaping.
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TxSkyBolt
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Definition of Leaping
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November 22, 2016, 12:27:02 PM »
Quote from: bctgp on November 21, 2016, 11:41:07 PM
What about hurdling? He was not the ball carrier.
The ball carrier is the only player who can legally hurdle. If this player jumped over the top of a player, it's a foul for hurdling.
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drking432
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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November 23, 2016, 12:13:27 AM »
Hurdling and leaping are 2 different things. A basketball leap is legal as long as you don't land on an opponent or teammate. Hurdling is jumping over a person feet out front (similar to jumping a hurdle).
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TxBJ
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Definition of Leaping
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November 23, 2016, 10:23:53 AM »
And it is only hurdling if the player being hurdled has nothing other than one or both feet on the ground.
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Williams
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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December 16, 2016, 09:24:49 AM »
Can someone pull video on the extra point play at 4:36 of the 4th quarter in the Crawford/Refugio game?
Would that have been hurdling?
Looked like the player started just behind the U, ran up and jumped over the center.
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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December 16, 2016, 09:41:32 AM »
Doesn't hurdling only apply to jumping over an opponent?
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Re: Definition of Leaping
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December 16, 2016, 10:30:29 AM »
I don't think they should have picked up the flag. I have always been instructed that if there is contact in any form, even if initiated by the offense, it should be called. He obviously got a running start.
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