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AMIRITE???
« on: February 09, 2017, 09:23:53 AM »
have a LEGAL scrimmage kick formation from K 30

After the ball has been kicked...
1. K1 is roughed at K 20 by r1
2. K2 is held by R2 at K 40
3. K3 interferes with catch by R3...no return, ball hits k3 and he recovers on the ground at the spot...R 40
4. After the play is over during the dead ball period...R3 punches k3...no retaliation by K3

Administration: The live ball fouls will cancel (the first and third) and no administration with the hold and replay.  However, R3 is ejected for fighting and the PF will be administered from the K 30, 15 yds, and 1st and 10 at k 45
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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2017, 10:44:05 AM »
RTK doesn't qualify for PSK. You would have a double foul and replay the down. The DBPF would then be tacked on the previous spot and could create a new series for K if it reached the LTG. If it does, clock starts on snap. If kick stayed IB and DBPF doesn't create a 1st down, on RFP.

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2017, 10:57:41 AM »
RTK doesn't qualify for PSK. You would have a double foul and replay the down. The DBPF would then be tacked on the previous spot and could create a new series for K if it reached the LTG. If it does, clock starts on snap. If kick stayed IB and DBPF doesn't create a 1st down, on RFP.

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 09:17:47 AM »
In the spirit of APTCBNRA, try this....

  SCHSref's original play BUT hull out RTK.....

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 02:30:59 PM »
In the spirit of APTCBNRA, try this....

  SCHSref's original play BUT hull out RTK..... 

10-2-3
Since R possessed the ball with "clean hands", they can keep the ball if they decline the foul for KCI.
R's foul will be administered as PSK from the end of the kick, R's 40.
The dead ball foul will then be administered from R's 30.  1st and 10 from R's 15. 
R3 ejected himself.

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2017, 08:12:25 AM »
10-2-3
Since R possessed the ball with "clean hands", they can keep the ball if they decline the foul for KCI.
R's foul will be administered as PSK from the end of the kick, R's 40.
The dead ball foul will then be administered from R's 30.  1st and 10 from R's 15. 
R3 ejected himself.

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GOOD JOB, GA UMPIRE...R's foul occurred prior to COP, but under PSK, it would have been treated as such. Note that ,given the poor field position, R may wish to accept the KCI and replay the down IF the then DBPI enforcement doesn't create a new series for K (LTG not mentioned in original post).



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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 08:48:07 AM »
in the OP, R never posses' the ball at the end of the play...."ball hits k3 and he recovers on the ground at the spot...R 40"

There is no "Clean Hands" rule, so the fouls offset and you mark off 15 for dead ball US. First down K at K45.

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 09:21:09 AM »
in the OP, R never posses' the ball at the end of the play...."ball hits k3 and he recovers on the ground at the spot...R 40"

There is no "Clean Hands" rule, so the fouls offset and you mark off 15 for dead ball US. First down K at K45.
Good point, AP, but the kick ended when K recovers and PSK would apply as K would not be next to put the ball in play (2-16-2h(5)) as OP doesn't state that R ever touched the ball, only that he was interfered with (KCI) by K.

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 10:14:55 AM »
but you have two live ball fouls before the kick ended with K illegally in possession of the ball. You can't ignore the KCI by K or the hold by R and both fouls were before COP. So, what would be the call in this situation; leaving out the dead ball foul?

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 11:16:57 AM »
Since K touched the ball first, the kick ends at R40. R should decline the KCI foul (10-2-3). K will accept holding call, penalty marked off to R30, then dead ball foul marked to R15. R's ball first and ten at R15.

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 11:25:02 AM »
Forgive me for repeating GA's comment.  cRaZy hEaDbAnG

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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 01:02:13 PM »
in the OP, R never posses' the ball at the end of the play...."ball hits k3 and he recovers on the ground at the spot...R 40"

There is no "Clean Hands" rule, so the fouls offset and you mark off 15 for dead ball US. First down K at K45.

Except the way I wrote it makes it seemed as though K3 recovered, but it was actually R3 that recovered.  Sorry for the confusion
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Re: AMIRITE???
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2017, 11:09:00 AM »
but you have two live ball fouls before the kick ended with K illegally in possession of the ball. You can't ignore the KCI by K or the hold by R and both fouls were before COP. So, what would be the call in this situation; leaving out the dead ball foul?
  Rule 10-2-1a & b addresses PSK applications in double foul situations.