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Offline Sonofanump

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Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« on: April 17, 2017, 07:41:54 AM »
CFO Targeting video #7, play 1.  (BYU v UMass)

Could I get a rules reference why we offset a live ball offensive foul with a late hit (targeting or not) on a sliding QB.  It is not registering why this would not be enforce the liveball foul then deadball foul. 

Offline bctgp

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 10:03:55 AM »
I wonder if it was misreported to the R that it was a late hit or he just messed up the announcement?  The hit in question was just a  split-second after the slide so I think it's best to treat this as live ball fouls in my humble opinion.

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 12:14:36 PM »
If it's a live ball foul, how is it late? If it's a late hit, how is it a live ball foul? It has to be one or the other. It can't be both during the play and after the play.

Edited for a typo I didn't notice when I was on mobile.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 02:58:56 PM by Legacy Zebra »

Offline Sonofanump

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 03:59:05 PM »
If it's a live ball foul, how is it late? If it's a late hit, how is it a live ball foul? It has to be one or the other. It can't be both during the play and after the play.

Edited for a typo I didn't notice when I was on mobile.

We have a foul by the offense, we also have a foul for hitting a sliding QB on the defense.  My question is, if the QB sliding causes the play to become dead, and we have a late hit on the QB, how do these fouls offset?

This is in reference to the CFO video I stated.

Offline Legacy Zebra

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 04:33:57 PM »
They shouldn't offset. I haven't seen the video yet, but it sounds like a mistake. My response was to bctgp who agreed with making it a live ball foul and offesetting them.

Offline Kalle

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 03:12:13 AM »
Doesn't the ball stay live while the sliding player is sliding until something than a hand or a foot touches ground? I don't have a problem visualizing a situation where there is an obviously sliding player who is not yet down, and then we can have a live-ball targeting foul which would offset a team A live-ball foul.

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2017, 06:22:30 AM »
http://www.sccfoa.org/docs/2016/2016_CFO_Play_Interpretations_Bulletin_1%20(082616).pdf

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1. Third and 10 at the A-35. Quarterback A11 sweeps to his right and goes into a feetfirst slide to give himself up. When he starts his slide, the forward-most point of the ball is at the A-44. When he comes to a stop the forward-most point of the ball is at the A-46.
RULING: Fourth and one at the A-44. The ball is dead at its forward-most point when he starts his slide. (4-1-3)
Hopefully, they add it to the Rules for 2018...

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 07:41:36 AM »
Hopefully, they add it to the Rules for 2018...

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Re: Offset Fouls with sliding QB
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 09:46:15 AM »
+2 agreed