Author Topic: Can 1st and Goal ever become 1st and 10 for A without a change of possession?  (Read 1457 times)

Offline Bama Ref

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1st and G for A at B's 10. A72 is called for holding. 1st and G for A at B's 20. Next play, A72 (having a rough night) is called for holding again. 1st and G for A at B's 30. Next play, B54 is called for Roughing the Passer on an incomplete pass. So... 1st and G for A at B's 15 or 1st and 10 for A at B's 15??

Offline refjeff

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An automatic first down is 1st and 10, or less, but never more.

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1st and G for A at B's 10. A72 is called for holding. 1st and G for A at B's 20. Next play, A72 (having a rough night) is called for holding again. 1st and G for A at B's 30. Next play, B54 is called for Roughing the Passer on an incomplete pass. So... 1st and G for A at B's 15 or 1st and 10 for A at B's 15??

1st & 10

Offline Ralph Damren

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And remember, guys, that while you can accept the penalty but decline the yardage, you can't accept the penalty and decline the auto first down. Consider :

 (1) 1st & 10 @ 50;
 (2) A holds @ LOS = 1st & 20 @ A's 40;
 (3) RTP = 1st & 10 @ B's 45;
 
A might like to, but can't decline the AFD & have 1st & 5.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 10:57:33 AM by Ralph Damren »

Offline VA Official

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(3) DPI = 1st & 10 @ B's 45;
 
B might like to, but can't decline the AFD & have 1st & 5.

...on Saturdays or in our friendly neighbor states of Texas or Mass. DPI is no longer an AFD in NFHS. Also, you may have meant A instead of B.  ;D
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 10:55:41 AM by VA Official »

Offline FLAHL

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An automatic first down is 1st and 10, or less, but never more.

Except in overtime if played under NFHS rules.  “The line to gain is always the goal line regardless of whether or not a penalty enforcement places the ball more than 10 yards from the goal line to start a new series.”

Excerpt From: NFHS. “2017 NFHS Football Rules Book.”

Offline Ralph Damren

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...on Saturdays or in our friendly neighbor states of Texas or Mass. DPI is no longer an AFD in NFHS. Also, you may have meant A instead of B.  ;D
Thanks to VA and a key called modify, things are now up to snuff tR:oLl

Offline sczeebra

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How about this one. 4th and 2 from the 11, A dives straight ahead for a 3 yard gain to the 8. Everyone signals timeout the Ref signals first down. The chain are dropped and the down box is on the eight first and goal. Before the ready the snapper snaps the ball for a quick play. The dead ball penalty for a snap infraction now makes it 1st and 10 from the 13!

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How about this one. 4th and 2 from the 11, A dives straight ahead for a 3 yard gain to the 8. Everyone signals timeout the Ref signals first down. The chain are dropped and the down box is on the eight first and goal. Before the ready the snapper snaps the ball for a quick play. The dead ball penalty for a snap infraction now makes it 1st and 10 from the 13!

How do you have a snap infraction before the ready for play? 
If you didn't see it, you can't call it

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You are right SCHSref this would be a delay of game with the same results.