6-3-2 rule change?

[wlemonnier]

Let's put the 6-3-2-d to bed... straight from our rules editor. 

It was intended to mean that there's no place for B to put the ball in play after a PAT or FG in OT just go to the next series or if in regulation on a PAT, go to the kickoff.

Mr. Shaw says it's still illegal touching and it would negate a score by Team A or a recovery in the field of play for a first down or any subsequent down.  The touching is NOT ignored.

[#92]

Let's put the 6-3-2-d to bed... straight from our rules editor. 

It was intended to mean that there's no place for B to put the ball in play after a PAT or FG in OT just go to the next series or if in regulation on a PAT, go to the kickoff.

Mr. Shaw says it's still illegal touching and it would negate a score by Team A or a recovery in the field of play for a first down or any subsequent down.  The touching is NOT ignored.

You got this from where? I hope an official release will follow?

[Kalle]

You got this from where? I hope an official release will follow?

I'm surprised if this makes a play situation bulletin. Hopefully the language is cleaned up a bit next year.

[clearwall]

So is the final ruling on this the same as it would have been before? The try is no good?

[wlemonnier]

If this is a try, regulation or OT... NO GOOD !!!

If this is a field goal attempt in OT... NO GOOD !!!

[ElvisLives]

Perhaps the simplest editorial change would be to say, "When Team B elects the illegal touching privilege after any Try down, or after any down in an extra period during which a field goal is attempted, the Try, or possession series, as applicable, is ended, and the ball shall next be put in play by rule."

Robert

PS  Good to see Mr. Lemonnier still as animated and passionate as ever!

[wlemonnier]

Well thank you... the heart's till pumping and the brain's not quite asleep.  I think the obvious thing on this is to emphasize a violation (touching) has the same effect as a COP on a try or OT... those negate the score and you move on to the next series, or in regulation the kickoff.  It was baffling that a violation could end of benefiting that team and result in a new first down or potential score.

[zoom]

I wanted to bring this back up again, as the OP was a question on a rules quiz I took recently, and the answer given was a Successful Try.  Will the 2018 rulebook have new language, an Approved Ruling, or some other way of clarifying this?

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[bossman72]

Maybe the better editorial change to this rule would have been to 6-3-2a to get the intended result?  It's hard to word without explicitly stating what you mean.

"This is illegal touching, a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation except on a try or in extra periods."

[ChicagoZebra]

Maybe the better editorial change to this rule would have been to 6-3-2a to get the intended result?  It's hard to word without explicitly stating what you mean.

"This is illegal touching, a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation except on a try or in extra periods."

Doesn't this result in the same literal reading as the recent editorial change?

[bossman72]

Doesn't this result in the same literal reading as the recent editorial change?

Yes, probably.  I was thinking the "except" referenced the part about taking the ball at the spot of the violation.  It's still a violation and not "ignored" all together as the other one would imply.  But yes, not very clear and could be interpreted the same way.

The best thing to do would be to leave the rule as it was before last year's editorial change and add an AR to show what you mean.  Otherwise you'd have to explicitly state what you mean in the rule.  These are very specific cases and probably should be addressed with an AR.

[Kalle]

I think the easiest way would be to revert to the old language and just add (Exceptions: 3-1-3-d and 8-3-6).

[ElvisLives]

I would edit 6-3-2-d:
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d.  If Team B accepts the illegal touching privilege on a try, or in an extra period, the down is ended, any score by either team is canceled, and the ball shall next be put in play by a kickoff, or at the succeeding spot in extra an extra period.
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This leaves no doubt as to what happens as a result of the illegal touching, and what happens next.

Robert

[ChicagoZebra]

I would edit 6-3-2-d:
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d.  If Team B accepts the illegal touching privilege on a try, or in extra periods, the down is ended, any score by either team is canceled, and the ball shall next be put in play by a kickoff, or at the succeeding spot in extra an extra period.
——
This leaves no doubt as to what happens as a result of the illegal touching, and what happens next.

Robert

This is a winner!

[bossman72]

I would edit 6-3-2-d:
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d.  If Team B accepts the illegal touching privilege on a try, or in an extra period, the down is ended, any score by either team is canceled, and the ball shall next be put in play by a kickoff, or at the succeeding spot in extra an extra period.
——
This leaves no doubt as to what happens as a result of the illegal touching, and what happens next.

Robert

Boom!  Love it

[ElvisLives]

I would edit 6-3-2-d:
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d.  If Team B accepts the illegal touching privilege on a try, or in an extra period, the down is ended, any score by either team is canceled, and the ball shall next be put in play by a kickoff, or at the succeeding spot in extra an extra period.

And, if I wanted to get really picky:

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d.  If Team B accepts the illegal touching privilege on a try, or in an extra period, the down is ended, any score by either team is canceled, and, if play is to continue, Team A shall next put the ball in play by a kickoff (not in an extra period), or the ball shall next be put in play by snap at the succeeding spot in an extra period.
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"..., if play is to continue,..." accounts for the possibility that the winner of the game may be decided by the result of the previous down in question (game over), or that 'regulation' play may have ended in a tie (play will continue with/in an extra period).

"...Team A shall put..." supports the ruling that acceptance of the illegal touching privilege, in these cases, does not (in, and of itself) award the ball to Team B for the next down.

"...(not in an extra period),..." confirms that a kickoff only follows a down that occurs during periods 1 thru 4.

"...by snap..." confirms that the next play will be a scrimmage down (in an extra period).

Pick me apart.

Robert