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Offline centexsports

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Definition of legal snap & another question
« on: November 01, 2017, 02:41:19 PM »
1) Punt formation.  Center moves ball directly and smoothly from starting position but instead of snapping to punter, he holds it to his butt and a wingback comes across  and takes a hand to hand exchange.   

By definition this meets the the rule but is probably a foul for illegal snap.

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2) Major injury to WR with less than 2 minutes in 3rd quarter.   After just over 45 minutes the player is being readied to load into ambulance.   Before he leaves the field, both coaches come to R and say they don't want anyone else to get hurt and want to know what their options are to end the game. 
Varsity district game.

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2017, 02:57:37 PM »
1. Illegal snap. The ball has to leave the snapper's hand to be a legal snap. 2-23-1-a.

2. This is up to district policy. You can suspend the game and let them decide later, but officials cannot end the game. Technically they could mutually agree to shorten the 4th quarter to zero minutes under 3-2-2-a, but they would still have to finish the 3rd quarter. You can't shorten a period that has already started. If the game is suspended, they have four options: resume at a later time, declare the current score final, declare it a forfeit, or declare it a no contest. With it being a district varsity game, they will probably choose one of the first two options.

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2017, 02:21:05 AM »
2) Easy option: agree to shorten the 4th quarter to zero minutes, and take 3-4 knees to end the 3rd quarter.

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2017, 09:05:43 PM »
I agree with everything Legacy said EXCEPT the part about "finishing" the 3rd quarter. There is no prohibition against shortening a quarter after it has begun. " the playing time of any remaining period or
periods may be shortened..." It doesn't say "complete period."  A definition of remaining is "not yet used." The 2-something left in the 3rd is not yet used.

No, it doesn't say "part of a period," but it is absurd to shorten the 4th quarter to zero and play the remaining few minutes of the 3rd if one or more teams does not want to play.

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2017, 01:39:33 PM »
I agree with everything Legacy said EXCEPT the part about "finishing" the 3rd quarter. There is no prohibition against shortening a quarter after it has begun. " the playing time of any remaining period or
periods may be shortened..." It doesn't say "complete period."  A definition of remaining is "not yet used." The 2-something left in the 3rd is not yet used.

No, it doesn't say "part of a period," but it is absurd to shorten the 4th quarter to zero and play the remaining few minutes of the 3rd if one or more teams does not want to play.

A game is made up of 4 periods.  If you are currently in the 3rd period how many periods remain?

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 11:08:15 PM »
2: 1 full and 1 partial.

I know what your saying and I agree it is reasonable to interpret the phrase as meaning a full quarter. However, there is nothing stated forcing you to interpret it as a full quarter. I think this is where the R's discretion rule CAN take over. One could reasonably argue that if the committee intended for only full periods to be adjusted they would have added that (or a similar) word. The word, full, is used 15-18 times in the rules to describe things like timeouts, seconds, etc. What is the difference between "one full second" and "one second?" I don't know if there is any, but they wanted to make sure everyone understood what they were talking about with respect to that particular rule (rule 7 issues).

They didn't say "full period" when talking about what was remaining. If a team truly wants out of a game and is willing to set the 4th quarter to 0:00, does it make any sense to continue a 3rd quarter with several minutes on there unless they want to continue? Anyway, I'm partially at fault here (for adding 2 full paragraphs to the discussion) but I still have to ask: is this worth arguing over? Interpret as you see fit.

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 08:59:12 PM »
1)  Snap has to be a continuous motion, this is an illegal snap.

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 05:28:23 PM »
1. Illegal snap. The ball has to leave the snapper's hand to be a legal snap. 2-23-1-a.

2. This is up to district policy. You can suspend the game and let them decide later, but officials cannot end the game. Technically they could mutually agree to shorten the 4th quarter to zero minutes under 3-2-2-a, but they would still have to finish the 3rd quarter. You can't shorten a period that has already started. If the game is suspended, they have four options: resume at a later time, declare the current score final, declare it a forfeit, or declare it a no contest. With it being a district varsity game, they will probably choose one of the first two options.

For #2 ask the trailing coach if he just wants to forfeit. Game over. You cant force a team to play if they dont want to.

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Re: Definition of legal snap & another question
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 05:43:57 PM »
If it's a district game, they might not want to officially forfeit. That can have off-field repercussions for the school depending on the district.