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Offline GAHSUMPIRE

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DPI on Jax
« on: January 21, 2018, 03:29:54 PM »
I admit I am biased an letting my fandom show, but on the DPI call right before half, it looked to me like the receiver had gone out of bounds which would make him an ineligible receiver, prior to the foul for DPI on Jax.

How can you have DPI on an ineligible receiver?

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Re: DPI on Jax
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2018, 07:04:17 PM »
The foul occurred while the ball was in the air, and before he was forced out of bounds.  Not an NFL rules expert, but, assuming there is nothing else to this (rule wise), this would appear to be a correct call.


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Re: DPI on Jax
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2018, 10:37:10 PM »
Everybody online seems to be blaming the officials for Jacksonville’s loss.

“Great game, refs!”

They’re half-right, it was probably the best-officiated game you could have asked for. They did a great job in this one.

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Re: DPI on Jax
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 07:22:40 AM »
Everybody online seems to be blaming the officials for Jacksonville’s loss.

“Great game, refs!”

They’re half-right, it was probably the best-officiated game you could have asked for. They did a great job in this one.

I am not blaming the officials for the outcome of this game- though I was hoping for a different one.

I simply had a question on one particular play.. It seemed to me the Patriot receiver was out pf bounds, and thus ineligible, prior to both the pass being thrown, and the foul begin committed. If those two things occurred, how could there be pass interference?

If the foul was that the defender pushed him out of bounds, would you not have either defensive holding or illegal contact? both of which  carry 5 yd penalties rather than spot of the foul enforcement. That enforcement would have perhaps changed the next sequence of plays considerably. Would it have made a difference? Who knows, the Patriots very well could have scored anyway.

My question, again, can you have pass interference on a receiver who is out of bounds, or who was out of bounds and has come back in, (but remains ineligible)?




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Re: DPI on Jax
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 08:17:58 AM »
If the foul was that the defender pushed him out of bounds, would you not have either defensive holding or illegal contact? both of which  carry 5 yd penalties rather than spot of the foul enforcement.

Someone else will have to address actual NFL rules pertaining to DPI on a receiver that is, or returns from, out of bounds.  I suspect they are the same as NCAA, for which PI rules only apply to inbounds eligible receivers.  So, while OB, a receiver can't be "interfered," even if forced OB. If he was OB voluntarily, but returns inbounds, he is still not eligible, so he still can not be "interfered."  If he was forced OB, then returns immediately, then he regains his eligibility and PI rules apply.

In the play in the NFC game, the ball is already in the air when the defender drapes himself over the shoulder of the receiver, while the receiver is still inbounds.  That's DPI.  The defender's contact then causes the receiver to step out of bounds.  The ball passes by and lands immediately thereafter, so the receiver didn't really have an opportunity to return inbounds. But, that's moot.  The PI occurred earlier, while both players were inbounds.

Should DPI be a spot foul?  Or (maximum) 15 yards, as in the NCAA?  That's a question for the Owner's to answer.  But, defenders are taught to maul the receivers, and make the officials make a call.  (Then, when the officials call DPI, they get mad and question the judgment and integrity of the officials.  What are ya gonna do?)  Changing to a 15 yard penalty will only exacerbate the problem, since they know it will only cost them 15 yards, and not 30, 40, 50 yards.

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Re: DPI on Jax
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 08:38:41 AM »
I thought it was just a simple cutoff - the DB actively cut the WR from his path and rode him OOB while the ball was in the air. Easy DPI.

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Re: DPI on Jax
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 08:52:46 PM »
The still picture that’s going around of the side judge smiling after separating the two teams after the Patriots’ first touchdown is making my blood boil. “Look, the officials are celebrating! They were clearly biased! They were betting on New England!”

Every penalty call in that game was blatantly obvious. You can’t argue with a false start or a delay of game. The PI in question here is debatable, but I would have flagged it myself. There was another PI where the defender wrapped his arm around the receiver’s neck (easy call) and then you had a headshot and a holding with a WWE-style takedown. What is so controversial about that? Good lord. Social media this morning made me want to  :puke: