Another free kick play

[bbeagle]

Anything by K that would have previous spot enforcement is eligible for the tack on.  That was the rule's intent.

I agree.

Illegal formation by K, receiving team runs to 50. Tack on 5 - Receiving team's ball at the K45.

AFTER THE KICK, aren't all K fouls tacked on anyways? Facemask at the 25, R tackled to the 50. Facemask tacked on, Receiving team's ball at the K35.

The only plays not tacked on are say, Facemask at the 25, R loses the ball, R recovers the ball at the 30, runs to the 50 and is tackled. That type of play, you'd enforce the foul from the R25 (end of the run with the foul) not the 50.

Does this rule mean in this case that the Facemask is tacked on at the 50 instead of the R25? Unless it means until the end of the kick?

[prab]

Wisconsin has clarified its position and it seems that we are going against the mainstream of thought on this board.  We are going literally with "during the kick".  Until/unless NFHS issues clarification, live ball fouls committed by K between the snap and the kick ARE NOT TACK ON FOULS!  For example K has only 6 players on the line at the snap. We are to consider this as a previous spot enforcement foul.  Yes, I realize that this defeats the purpose of trying to reduce the number of re-kicks, but that is the way it is here, at least for now.

[CalhounLJ]

Beg your pardon, but that is completely against this new exception.


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[prab]

Beg your pardon, but that is completely against this new exception.


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I agree completely!  However, it is what it is.  I just hope that the NFHS publishes a "what we really meant" clarification soon.

[AlUpstateNY]

I agree completely!  However, it is what it is.  I just hope that the NFHS publishes a "what we really meant" clarification soon.

FWIW, a definition of mindless bureaucracy, "When common sense and logic contradict written instruction, to automatically follow the instruction rather than reason the objective".

Hopefully NFHS will issue a workable clarification, that will spare us that dilemma, BEFORE the 2018 season begins.

[prab]

FWIW, a definition of mindless bureaucracy, "When common sense and logic contradict written instruction,to  automatically follow the instruction rather than reasoning the objective".

Hopefully NFHS will issue a workable clarification, that will spare us that dilemma, BEFORE the 2018 season begins.

Again, I agree completely!  However, our season starts at 7 PM tonight.  I hope that the NFHS hurries!!!

[CalhounLJ]

Our seasons started last night.


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[Curious]

Wisconsin has clarified its position and it seems that we are going against the mainstream of thought on this board.  We are going literally with "during the kick".  Until/unless NFHS issues clarification, live ball fouls committed by K between the snap and the kick ARE NOT TACK ON FOULS!  For example K has only 6 players on the line at the snap. We are to consider this as a previous spot enforcement foul.  Yes, I realize that this defeats the purpose of trying to reduce the number of re-kicks, but that is the way it is here, at least for now.

Here in Michigan, our instructions are "during the kick"; (i.e., from snap to end of kick"...). I think (hope) that's really what the committee intended.  It cuts down on re-kicks without muddying other enforcement rules

[bossman72]

Does this rule mean in this case that the Facemask is tacked on at the 50 instead of the R25? Unless it means until the end of the kick?

The way the rule reads now AS IS, I think it would let you tack this FMM on to the 50.  The intent of the rule is that this FMM would be enforced using normal all but one (like last year) since it happened after the kick ended.  Only fouls with previous spot enforcement do they want eligible for tack on.

[Ralph Damren]

Once the kick has ended, it is no longer a kicking play but a running play(s). The basic spot would be the end of the run or related run if a fumble occurred.

[VA Official]

Once the kick has ended, it is no longer a kicking play but a running play(s). The basic spot would be the end of the run or related run if a fumble occurred.

Ralph, I think we all agree this is how it should be and I'm glad to hear it from someone on the committee. Do we know if the NFHS will be communicating this in some form?

[VALJ]

Just to make sure everyone saw this, since this was the source of much discussion in my class during the first week...

The 'tack on' for a kick OOB applies only if R is taking the ball at the spot where the ball went OOB.  If the kick goes out anywhere from the goal line to the R 30 yard line, R will take the ball at the 35, NOT the 40.  If the ball goes out of bounds in front of the R30, they will tack on 5 to the spot where the ball went OOB...