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Re: Jerseys and knees
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2018, 12:39:41 PM »
Exactly.  TASO told us if we walked on the field and either team was in that attire, we were to not participate.  I don't work for the UIL.  I follow the rules of the association that provides me with insurance and who will represent me.  It is true they can play all they want, but as already mentioned, without officials.

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2018, 02:32:49 PM »
Went through this same argument about 10-12 years ago.  At that time the UIL Constitution said scrimmages between two schools were contests.
I would like to see who the author of that email was.  Was it from some underling with a thump thump background?

How many "practices" have officials assigned to them?

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2018, 03:45:11 PM »
Same story last night,  coach" I read rules and volley ball pads ok as long as pants are over them"   He's still shaking his head that all is great. If you took notice, all the pans were new and not a knee pad pocket in them.  Hope they take it out of his salary.

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2018, 03:58:56 PM »
Same story last night,  coach" I read rules and volley ball pads ok as long as pants are over them"   He's still shaking his head that all is great. If you took notice, all the pans were new and not a knee pad pocket in them.  Hope they take it out of his salary.

Uh, he's right.  Pads don't have to be in pockets in the pants.  They certainly may be, and that definitely gives the greatest protection. But the interpretation directly from Redding's mouth at the State Meeting was that they could, in fact, use sleeve-type knee pads, as long as they are covered by the pants.  That is the same message that all TASO clinicians were told to present in regional workshops.

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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2018, 04:10:44 PM »
Whether it is eye shields, pants, doo rags, mouth pieces some of these kids/coaches/schools are going to try to push the limit.

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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2018, 09:52:57 PM »
Just worked a 5A scrimmage in Lubbock, and we only had an issue with two players for knee pads, and coaches completely supported getting them fixed, and they did.  Same with undershirts.  Got ‘em pulled up and/or tucked in, and they understood and had no problem getting in compliance.
I am not expecting much issue next week.

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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2018, 02:56:16 PM »
Uh, he's right.  Pads don't have to be in pockets in the pants.  They certainly may be, and that definitely gives the greatest protection. But the interpretation directly from Redding's mouth at the State Meeting was that they could, in fact, use sleeve-type knee pads, as long as they are covered by the pants.  That is the same message that all TASO clinicians were told to present in regional workshops.

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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2018, 01:23:04 PM »
Regarding the post that a Coach had a letter saying the required equipment is not required in a scrimmage, I would have asked the Coach if I could have the letter or at least see who signed it from UIL.  That is not consistent with any message I have heard from the UIL, TASO or in my case our Chapter leadership.  Either way, I would have submitted a UIL incident report and described all of this and the team so that UIL can address.

Someone said it earlier, we should not let the fact that coaches have a say in selecting the crew that works their game dictate which rules we are going to enforce and not enforce.

If we all stand together across the State there is no issue.

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2018, 03:04:03 PM »
Regarding the post that a Coach had a letter saying the required equipment is not required in a scrimmage, I would have asked the Coach if I could have the letter or at least see who signed it from UIL.  That is not consistent with any message I have heard from the UIL, TASO or in my case our Chapter leadership.  Either way, I would have submitted a UIL incident report and described all of this and the team so that UIL can address.

Someone said it earlier, we should not let the fact that coaches have a say in selecting the crew that works their game dictate which rules we are going to enforce and not enforce.

If we all stand together across the State there is no issue.

Scrimmages are over now, but if I had a coach show me a letter that said something other than required equipment is OK for scrimmages, I’d say, “ OK.  Enjoy the scrimmage.  Hope you get what you need accomplished without officials.  We’ll be leaving, now, unless you can get your team properly equipped.”

They can scrimmage however they want.  But if they want our participation, then they need to fully and properly equip their players.  We simply cannot accept the liability of participating in any activity where the players are not protected according to rule.  The UIL can allow their members to conduct activities with less than full compliance, if they want.  But, we are not responsible to the UIL, and the UIL has no jurisdiction over us.  We can’t put ourselves at risk.  They balk, we walk.

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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2018, 04:36:47 PM »
Scrimmages are over now, but if I had a coach show me a letter that said something other than required equipment is OK for scrimmages, I’d say, “ OK.  Enjoy the scrimmage.  Hope you get what you need accomplished without officials.  We’ll be leaving, now, unless you can get your team properly equipped.”

They can scrimmage however they want.  But if they want our participation, then they need to fully and properly equip their players.  We simply cannot accept the liability of participating in any activity where the players are not protected according to rule.  The UIL can allow their members to conduct activities with less than full compliance, if they want.  But, we are not responsible to the UIL, and the UIL has no jurisdiction over us.  We can’t put ourselves at risk.  They balk, we walk.

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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2018, 04:50:30 PM »
Ok, I changed my mind. I come to this site every day to learn from other's experiences but you don't know what you would do until faced with it.
1. I talked to both coaches.
2. I read the email from the HIGHEST UIL football AAD.
3. I gave the coach my card and he forwarded the email to me.
4.  We took pictures.
5.  We did not punish a school that we call for because of a school we do not call for.
6. We made sure that knees were covered.
7. I did not file a UIL incident report because I already had their determination.
8. I copied both the chapter president and vp on the email and pics.
9. They forwarded to the appropriate TASO official.

If any of you would have handled it differently,  good for you. 

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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2018, 06:17:13 PM »
Would you mind posting that email or pic of it to this forum?  I think you handled it well, although I would have still filed an incident report in my humble opinion.  The reason for that would be to point out to UIL they are telling Coaches one thing and telling Officials another thing. Albeit, would it change anything - not sure but can't hurt.

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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2018, 12:09:20 PM »
I just spoke with one of our coaches and he tells me that the UIL told him that as long as the knees are covered with the pad they are good.  They apparently told him the pants aren't what protects the knees it is the pad.  If that is their interpretation then they better put out a rules exception mighty quick.  This he said, she said stuff just don't cut it.

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2018, 12:45:38 PM »
I just spoke with one of our coaches and he tells me that the UIL told him that as long as the knees are covered with the pad they are good.  They apparently told him the pants aren't what protects the knees it is the pad.  If that is their interpretation then they better put out a rules exception mighty quick.  This he said, she said stuff just don't cut it.

He's correct, the pants arent the protector and you DONT have to have pads in the actual pants. But what you DO have to have is the pad 100% covered by rule and the pants must also 100% cover the knee. So if you're wearing volleyball knee pads, that's legal but they have to be covered up and they must cover the knee

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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2018, 01:12:42 PM »
He's correct, the pants arent the protector and you DONT have to have pads in the actual pants. But what you DO have to have is the pad 100% covered by rule and the pants must also 100% cover the knee. So if you're wearing volleyball knee pads, that's legal but they have to be covered up and they must cover the knee

Exactly.  He has several players 6 ft 4 in. and wearing pants designed for a 5' 7" player and they only go down to about 6 inches above the knee so basically they are wearing biker shorts.  The pads are the girdle type and the knee pads extend well below the pants and cover the knee completely.  According to him, the UIL has told him that is fine.  I said no, because the pants also have to cover the knee.

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« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2018, 01:16:28 PM »
Exactly.  He has several players 6 ft 4 in. and wearing pants designed for a 5' 7" player and they only go down to about 6 inches above the knee so basically they are wearing biker shorts.  The pads are the girdle type and the knee pads extend well below the pants and cover the knee completely.  According to him, the UIL has told him that is fine.  I said no, because the pants also have to cover the knee.

You're in San Antonio, right?

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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2018, 01:50:40 PM »
You're in San Antonio, right?

Nope.  About 6 hours North of there.

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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2018, 02:54:12 PM »
If that is their interpretation then they better put out a rules exception mighty quick.  This he said, she said stuff just don't cut it.

I think we are all with you.  Lacking an Exception from the UIL (in writing, directly to TASO), we simply must observe the rule that was accepted by the UIL, and that says the pad must cover the knee, and the pants must cover the knee and pad.

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2018, 03:42:01 PM »
Once again all powerful Superintendents will cover for their inefficient coaches and tell the UIL, who works for them, to change the rule.

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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2018, 08:01:08 PM »
Nope.  About 6 hours North of there.
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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2018, 07:17:56 PM »
Once again all powerful Superintendents will cover for their inefficient coaches and tell the UIL, who works for them, to change the rule.

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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2018, 07:31:06 PM »
I hope nobody is surprised.

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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2018, 03:36:08 AM »
Come on guys, share for those who are external to the great state :-)

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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2018, 06:48:03 AM »
Come on guys, share for those who are external to the great state :-)
Basically, if a player is wearing basketball-type knee pads, the pants do not have to cover them. The pant leg must overlap so that no skin is showing but does not have to cover the pad.

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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2018, 10:12:16 AM »
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