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Friday Brain Teaser
« on: October 12, 2018, 09:14:14 AM »
Just a minor brain teaser, to get us in the mood:

3/10, B-40, 5:00 (2) & running, A=10, B=7.
A11 receives the direct snap, and raises the ball in his hand to attempt a pass.  Just as his ARM begins to move forward, but before his HAND makes any forward movement, B99 crouches slightly, then, with a slight, but distinct, upward thrusting action, contacts A11 in the chest with the crown of his helmet, and slides up A11's chest, striking A11's chin with the top of his helmet.  This action causes the ball to fall from A11's hand before any forward motion of A11's hand (with the ball in it) could begin.  The ball falls to the ground, where B79 recovers the ball while on his feet, and advances to the A-40, where A80 is able to legally strike the ball from B79's arm, and the ball falls to the ground.  A88 recovers the ball while on his feet and advances to the 50, where he is being wrapped up by several defenders when he throws the ball to A60 at the B-47, who advances across B's goal line.  (Yes, a very speedy guard.)

Ruling (include all options, if any, and play clock and game clock status):

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Not that hard, just things to think about.
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Re: Friday Brain Teaser
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2018, 10:06:56 AM »
In order of occurrence, we have targeting by B79, a fumble by A11 recovered by B79, a fumble by B79 recovered by A80, an illegal forward pass by A80 caught and advanced for a TD by A60.

Team A was last in possession and had not fouled prior to last gaining possession, so they have an option. They can offset the fouls and replay the down (3rd & 10 @ B-40), or they can decline the TGT and enforce their IFP and have 1st and 10 from the A-45. It will be 1st and 10 because there was a change in team possession during the down. The “loss of down” is simply loss of the right to replay the down, so it won’t affect Team A’s new series. A60 is not guilty of illegal touching because the pass was illegal. B79 will be disqualified no matter what even if his TGT is declined or offset. GC on snap because of the TD, PC on 25 because of the penalty administration.

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Re: Friday Brain Teaser
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2018, 10:49:07 AM »
Also, A11 is not a passer, as the rule requires that the hand moves forwad, so there is no roughing the passer foul, which in this sequence would not matter anyway, as the end of the last run enforcement applies only if there is no change of team possession during the down.

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Re: Friday Brain Teaser
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2018, 11:44:54 AM »
All perfect answers.  Marvelous.

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Re: Friday Brain Teaser
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2018, 02:01:30 PM »
The choice in this scenario is definitely not "obvious."  3/10, B-40 or 1/10, A-45.  3/10, B-40 has better field position. But 1/10 has more opportunities to advance the ball, plus run more time off the clock.

So, what would you do, coach?

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Re: Friday Brain Teaser
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2018, 04:30:10 PM »
Also, A11 is not a passer, as the rule requires that the hand moves forwad, so there is no roughing the passer foul, which in this sequence would not matter anyway, as the end of the last run enforcement applies only if there is no change of team possession during the down.
Very important because if replay reverses the TGT you have no foul on B since you don’t have RPS.

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Re: Friday Brain Teaser
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2018, 01:34:48 AM »
Very important because if replay reverses the TGT you have no foul on B since you don’t have RPS.

Yeah, for IR games this becomes important. I always forget to think about IR as we don't have it over here (IFAF has a separate Video Judge provisions, which while similar are also very different).