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Offline Kalle

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Scrimmage Kick Formation and A.R. 7-1-4-VIII
« on: March 19, 2019, 09:06:29 AM »
Did not see if this new A.R. for last season was ever discussed, but as it just now surfaced to my attention:

Anybody know what's the reasoning behind this new A.R., as to me it creates a new objective criteria for a SKF but fails to define it? Is one blocking back sufficient for a SKF? Two? Three? What about the backs lining up close to the LOS instead of the more normal fiveish yards from the LOS?

"Team A lines up with A11 ten yards directly behind the snapper. The other three backs are split wide, all outside the tackle box. Only four Team A linemen have uniform numbers between 50 and 79. A11 receives the backward pass from the snapper with Team A in this formation. RULING: Live-ball foul. Illegal formation, not enough players numbered 50-79 on the line of scrimmage. Team A is not is a scrimmage kick formation, because in this alignment it is not obvious that a kick will be attempted. (Rule 2-16-10)"
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Re: Scrimmage Kick Formation and A.R. 7-1-4-VIII
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2019, 10:06:17 AM »
Kalle,
A more traditional punt formation would have some number of backs in the backfield area in front of the ostensible kicker, as ostensible blockers.  This type of formation makes it "obvious" that a scrimmage kick will be made; thus, assuming other conditions (down/distance/field position/time) are appropriate, this is a SKF, and the numbering exceptions are permitted.
But, when those backs spread out wide, outside the tackles, they are hardly in good positions to block for the kicker.  This would not be a traditional punt formation.  So, the interpreter (not me) deemed that when Team A is in this wide split this formation, it is NOT obvious a scrimmage kick will be made; thus, this is not a SKF, and they are not allowed to have numbering exceptions.

I can't be specific about what prompted this AR.  I can only surmise that an FBS school, somewhere, ran this type of non-SKF play (perhaps with only four linemen numbered 50-79), and it raised the issue.

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Re: Scrimmage Kick Formation and A.R. 7-1-4-VIII
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2019, 02:38:21 PM »
Quote from: ElvisLives on March 19, 2019, 10:06:17 AM

I can't be specific about what prompted this AR.  I can only surmise that an FBS school, somewhere, ran this type of non-SKF play (perhaps with only four linemen numbered 50-79), and it raised the issue.

Robert   

Several years ago, Oklahoma State ran a play with 4 linemen 50-79, covered up a slot receiver on one side and put a TE in at tackle on the other side.  QB lined up at 8 yards (which was a scrimmage kick formation back then) and threw a pass to him.

This is why Rogers had several changes to this rule in recent years.
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Re: Scrimmage Kick Formation and A.R. 7-1-4-VIII
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2019, 03:04:37 PM »
Quote from: bossman72 on March 19, 2019, 02:38:21 PM
Several years ago, Oklahoma State ran a play with 4 linemen 50-79, covered up a slot receiver on one side and put a TE in at tackle on the other side.  QB lined up at 8 yards (which was a scrimmage kick formation back then) and threw a pass to him.

This is why Rogers had several changes to this rule in recent years.

Leave it to Gundy... ;)
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