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Offline Stinterp

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Interception
« on: June 10, 2019, 07:31:28 PM »
A 1st and 10 from the B-20.  B15 intercepts the legal forward pass at his B-3 and his momentum carries him into his own EZ.  B-3 fumbles the ball from his own EZ out to the B-4 yard line where A35 kicks the ball across the end line?

Offline Ump33

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Re: Interception
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2019, 08:30:58 PM »
Momentum is off when the ball comes out of the EZ.  The Illegal Kicking by A35 is the force that put the ball across the GL (2-13-1) and out the EZ making the result of the play a touch back.  The IK foul would be enforced 10 yards (Rule Change) from the end of B15's run.  Since B15's run ended in the EZ, the enforcement spot is the Goal Line = B 1st/10 @ b-10

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Re: Interception
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2019, 09:58:45 PM »
Momentum is off when the ball comes out of the EZ.  The Illegal Kicking by A35 is the force that put the ball across the GL (2-13-1) and out the EZ making the result of the play a touch back.  The IK foul would be enforced 10 yards (Rule Change) from the end of B15's run.  Since B15's run ended in the EZ, the enforcement spot is the Goal Line = B 1st/10 @ b-10

I would decline and take the touchback.

B 1/10 @ B20.

Offline Magician

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Re: Interception
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2019, 08:20:13 AM »
I would decline and take the touchback.

B 1/10 @ B20.

Me too. And I'm sure most coaches would as well. Unless their starting RB is 87 yards away from breaking a career rushing record on the last game of the season and they don't need the TD to win the game.

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: Interception
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2019, 09:01:59 AM »
I'm just waking up from a high school baseball hibernation, but why wouldn't the succeeding spot -after touchback - with new series B at A's 30 ?? Why aren't the Red Sox in first place ?? Will there be another duck parade if the Bruins are blessed by Lord Stanley ?? Will they catch Big Papi's shooter ??

Offline Ump33

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Re: Interception
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2019, 09:48:22 AM »
I'm just waking up from a high school baseball hibernation, but why wouldn't the succeeding spot -after touchback - with new series B at A's 30 ?? Why aren't the Red Sox in first place ?? Will there be another duck parade if the Bruins are blessed by Lord Stanley ?? Will they catch Big Papi's shooter ??
Anytime the ball crosses the GL into the EZ, the force that put the ball in the EZ determines the outcome of the play.  In the OP, it was A35's illegal kick on the b-4 of a grounded fumble that forced the ball across the GL.  A35 is responsible for the ball being in the EZ per the definition of force (2-13-1).
I do not think the "rule change" (new wording) of the momentum exception implies that a ball originally in the EZ from the mo-exception is still considered "in the EZ" if it leaves and comes back into the EZ.
8-5-2 Exception ... When a defensive player intercepts an opponent's forward pass; intercepts or recovers an opponent's fumble or backward pass; or an R player catches or recovers a scrimmage kick or free kick between his 5-yard line and the goal line, and his original momentum carries him into the end zone where the ball remains in the end zone and is declared dead in the end zone in his team's possession or it goes out of bounds in the end zone, the ball belongs to the team in possession at the spot where the pass or fumble was intercepted or recovered or the kick was caught or recovered.
I do not have the 2019 Case Book to see if there is a case play for this situation.  If it is the intent to allow the OP to keep the "monument status", I would suggest the NFHS review the definition of the word "remain."

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Re: Interception
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2019, 11:32:41 AM »
I agree with Ump.  The basic spot of this foul is the GL not the succeeding spot.

Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: Interception
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2019, 02:03:31 PM »
In1996 we tweaked 10-5-4 and changed the basic spot from the goal line to the 20 yard for a play that results in a touchback. The illegal kick in the post would not be effected by our new tack-on rule, which is for legal kicks. Remember in 2014 we clarified the status of the ball following an illegal kick. The OP has the IK on a fumble..ie..the IK would be treated as a fumble. If my murky memory recalls correctly  from 23 years pass, the 10-5-4 change was prompted by an interceptor being yanked down by the facemask in the end zone in a state championship game (those are the ones that get attention). THEN : decline the penalty, as accepting it would only bring the ball to the 15. NOW : accepting the penalty would bring the ball to the 35. Seemed to make sense.
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