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Offline sczeebra

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Timing Rules?
« on: June 19, 2019, 10:30:21 AM »
K’s ball at there 45, 4th and 8. K’s punt is rolling at the R 15 when R28 blocks A55 in the back at the R20. The BJ drops his flag and blows his whistle inadvertently. K accepts the foul. Ruling 1st and 10 for K at the R45. My question is when would the clock start? IW rules or new series after a legal kick.
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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: Timing Rules?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2019, 10:47:16 AM »
Since the acceptance of the penalty negates the IW, the clock will start on the snap because of a new series after a legal kick. IMO.
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Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: Timing Rules?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 12:59:59 PM »
Because of the IW, the kick never ended, thus PSK couldn't be applicable . We debated several years ago if we couldn't determine where the kick was rolling when the eager tweeter sounded off. While a good estimate could be made on a rolling kick, a raw guess could only be given on an airborne or high bouncing kick. These would also require exceptions. Exceptions are the exception in NFHS. 
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Re: Timing Rules?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2019, 03:20:22 PM »
I'm with Calhoun.  We have a first down awarded after a legal kick, which is a major clock stopper.  Start the game clock on the snap, play clock at 25 on the ready.
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Re: Timing Rules?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2019, 01:20:00 PM »
If I am reading this right, the kick never ended due to the inadvertent whistle so the penalty cannot be enforced from the end of the kick? Therefore it gives K 10 yards and a fresh set of downs? Penalty enforcement is definitely my weak point. Whereas, without the inadvertent whistle, it likely would have been R’s ball 1st and 10 around the 7 yard line after their block in the back penalty was enforced?
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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: Timing Rules?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2019, 01:54:12 PM »
Yes that’s correct. This situation can’t have PSK enforcement because R didn’t have possession at the end of the down. Since the ball was still in Ks possession at the time of the ill-timed-toot, K retained possession. If the play had been allowed to play out, most likely R would have been in possession at the end of the down and PSK would have applied.


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Re: Timing Rules?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2019, 08:11:03 AM »
Quote from: VALJ on June 20, 2019, 03:20:22 PM
I'm with Calhoun.  We have a first down awarded after a legal kick, which is a major clock stopper.  Start the game clock on the snap, play clock at 25 on the ready.

The rationale of 3-4-3b,c is that a "major clock stopper" should apply when teams are changing their units ..i.e. ...A>B, K or R> A.

Hump day trivia : When could a "major clock stopper " occur a  ^flag during a scrimmage kick down  ^flag with the kick remaining inbounds AND no new series is awarded ???
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