10 Second Subtraction

[JasonTX]

Does anyone have a dumbed down version of the 10 second subtraction rule that you give to clock opertators?  This would be one that we give to schools that provide their own clock operators.

[TXMike]

Great timing !  We just finished one that TASO will be distributing through school channels to clock operators.

[Legacy Zebra]

Will it be publically available or only to through the schools? It'd be nice for us to have a copy ready in case the clock operator doesn't have one.

[CenTexZebra]

That would be really great!  Now only if the clock operators we have at varsity games would just show up before 5 minutes prior to kickoff it would help!

[TexDoc]

That would be really great!  Now only if the clock operators we have at varsity games would just show up before 5 minutes prior to kickoff it would help!

If they are stadium clock guys, I usually never see them. 

[TXMike]

Available to all.  And those who officials who have attended any summer clinics would have heard they need to make it a point to have that pregame meeting with the CO’s this year .

[TexDoc]

Available to all.  And those who officials who have attended any summer clinics would have heard they need to make it a point to have that pregame meeting with the CO’s this year .

Sounds like I'll be making some trips up to some press boxes.  I like giving them a radio anyway.  Not the same ones we use on the field.

[ElvisLives]

Sounds like I'll be making some trips up to some press boxes.  I like giving them a radio anyway.  Not the same ones we use on the field.

Through appropriate channels, ask the ADs to have the COs report to you, at your dressing room, one hour before scheduled kickoff, every game.
I know what is next: Oh, we’ll never get ‘em to do that.
Well, you won’t, if you don’t ask/insist. 
Explain to the ADs the importance of the pregame conference, not just because of the 10-second subtraction, or even the 25/40 second clock.  That conference is important every game, even if you have worked that venue, with those COs, 100 times.

Robert

[Magician]

This is fine, but why would they need it? We announce all 10-second reductions so they only have to follow our instruction.

[ElvisLives]

This is fine, but why would they need it? We announce all 10-second reductions so they only have to follow our instruction.

Ah, you must not be from around here. 🙂
A majority of Texas stadiums are not equipped with Referee field mics.  So, a major topic of discussion is how to communicate to the CO to subtract 10 seconds.  Next, is a discussion about 25/40 play clocks with the PCO.  Several other things to discuss.  Every game.  Every stadium.

Robert

[Magician]

Ah, you must not be from around here. 🙂
A majority of Texas stadiums are not equipped with Referee field mics.  So, a major topic of discussion is how to communicate to the CO to subtract 10 seconds.  Next, is a discussion about 25/40 play clocks with the PCO.  Several other things to discuss.  Every game.  Every stadium.

Robert

Sorry. I could have sworn I saw this in the NCAA topic rather than Texas. I even checked before I posted because I know you guys could have this issue. Fortunately the 10-second reduction is fairly rare.

[TexDoc]

Through appropriate channels, ask the ADs to have the COs report to you, at your dressing room, one hour before scheduled kickoff, every game.
I know what is next: Oh, we’ll never get ‘em to do that.
Well, you won’t, if you don’t ask/insist. 
Explain to the ADs the importance of the pregame conference, not just because of the 10-second subtraction, or even the 25/40 second clock.  That conference is important every game, even if you have worked that venue, with those COs, 100 times.

Robert

Can't argue with you....but, no matter what you do, some of those old CO's will  not visit with the officials before the games.  The large schools districts are really the problems.  You just make due and do the best  you can.

[TexDoc]

This is fine, but why would they need it? We announce all 10-second reductions so they only have to follow our instruction.

 

I don't know about you, but most the stadiums where I work do not have a stadium mic, and ones that do, they don't work very well.  Perhaps we need to come up with a signal for the CO's.

[TXMike]

Looking for suggestions.  One I have heard is holding palms forward like the PI signal but up over your head and then pointing to clock. 

[Magician]

 

I don't know about you, but most the stadiums where I work do not have a stadium mic, and ones that do, they don't work very well.  Perhaps we need to come up with a signal for the CO's.

As mentioned above I swore this was in the NCAA topic. I am sorry about that.

If you can't come up with some kind of signal, i would just do what we do anytime there is a clock adjustment. That often involves getting to a coach on the sideline and asking him to radio up to the clock operator. Sometimes they are close enough they can hear us from the field but those are really small schools.

[ElvisLives]

The UIL officially "adopts" our mechanics manuals, without any exceptions, and our manuals indicate that the CO and PCO "should" report to the R & B 60 minutes before the game.  As an organization, we need to lobby the UIL to reinforce this, and make it a 'requirement,' and advise their districts.

Also, we need to lobby the UIL to require some form of electronic communication system from the field to the CO/PCO's location.  Yes, that could be a Referee's field mic, so requiring a field mic at all schools could resolve the issue.  Otherwise, they need to provide a ring down-up phone, a sideline radio, or a designated coach with a headset to communicate directly to the CO/PCO, or at least to the pressbox staff to communicate to the CO/PCO.

Robert 

[Etref]

Many years ago, I had an old R who told the AD “ if the clock operator is too busy to come visit us before the pregame, he must be too busy to run the clock. We will keep the time on the field!”

Clock operator was there inside of 10 minutes

[TXMike]

Also, we need to lobby the UIL to require some form of electronic communication system from the field to the CO/PCO's location.  Yes, that could be a Referee's field mic, so requiring a field mic at all schools could resolve the issue.  Otherwise, they need to provide a ring down-up phone, a sideline radio, or a designated coach with a headset to communicate directly to the CO/PCO, or at least to the pressbox staff to communicate to the CO/PCO.

Robert

. Right after they require 12 pylons.  😁

[ElvisLives]

. Right after they require 12 pylons.  😁

With so, so many fields being plastic grass, these days, we really don't need the hash mark pylons, any more.

[TexDoc]

With so, so many fields being plastic grass, these days, we really don't need the hash mark pylons, any more.

Or measurements!!!

[TexDoc]

Looking for suggestions.  One I have heard is holding palms forward like the PI signal but up over your head and then pointing to clock.

[TexDoc]

Looking for suggestions.  One I have heard is holding palms forward like the PI signal but up over your head and then pointing to clock.

[TexDoc]

Looking for suggestions.  One I have heard is holding palms forward like the PI signal but up over your head and then pointing to clock.

[TexDoc]

These are perfect little radios to hand to the CO, used on different frequency than the O2O radios.  This is a very quick way to get that clock set right.  They are very small and can fit in your pocket.

[TXMike]

Very inexpensive

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