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Blindside Block ??
« on: August 21, 2019, 06:03:25 AM »
 The block that is not a block in the back.  BSB?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Yov1qg0vMfA 

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2019, 06:16:00 AM »
Certainly worthy of direction from "above."  Purely personally - and I am not in charge - but, I would have a hard time calling this a blind-side block, mostly because, in my sole opinion, this does not meet the test of "forceful" contact.  Yeah, sure, it blocks the opponent to the ground.  But, this isn't the punishing block that would likely cause injury in, and of, itself.  Does the opponent see the block coming?  No.  Does the opponent have a real opportunity to defend himself from the block?  No.  Is the block forceful?  I don't think it meets that criterion.
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What say ye, Mr. Shaw?  (or Redding?)

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2019, 09:00:08 AM »
Certainly worthy of direction from "above."  Purely personally - and I am not in charge - but, I would have a hard time calling this a blind-side block, mostly because, in my sole opinion, this does not meet the test of "forceful" contact.  Yeah, sure, it blocks the opponent to the ground.  But, this isn't the punishing block that would likely cause injury in, and of, itself.  Does the opponent see the block coming?  No.  Does the opponent have a real opportunity to defend himself from the block?  No.  Is the block forceful?  I don't think it meets that criterion.
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What say ye, Mr. Shaw?  (or Redding?)

Robert

I'm with you, Elvis (Robert). It's not a block in the back and it's not what I picture as a punishing block to fit the criteria as a blind side block.  But, I would love to hear from someone with much more authority than me.

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2019, 09:34:31 AM »
I think this most likely would be supported as a block in the back....chase mode....POA...all the requisites for the foul...and he does get enough of the back to propel the gunner past the runner. I honestly would not have this register as a potential blind side block.

Training video #9 also included the narrator's comments that there should have been no FMM call on a play where the runner's head spun violently around with an apparent grab of the mask or another helmet opening. If I'm on the field for that one, I hope we would have a flag down for FMM. We could always discuss whether to pick up the flag while we waited for the neck brace to be applied and the golf cart to arrive during the injury timeout.

I certainly learn from the videos, but sometimes do not agree with the narrator.

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2019, 10:14:57 AM »
Interesting play.  In MA this year it is  a flag for blindside block (NFHS rules). Under NCAA rules it's a pure judgment call based on our view of level of force.  Not sure what we have here, I'd say 50/50 either way. I do appreciate the NFHS version of the rule that eliminates the level of force debate.
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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2019, 06:19:57 PM »
Can someone give the definition of what an "Open Field Block" is?

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2019, 06:39:06 PM »
Think pornography, can’t define it but know it when you see it

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2019, 07:08:19 AM »
There is no definition.  But the purpose for stating an "open field" block in the rule language is to allow a limited level of blocks to occur, in which the player being blocked does not see the block coming.  That limited level is almost exclusively the immediate area at/around the neutral zone, and between the offensive players that are the outermost linemen of the "bunched" linemen.  That's a generic description of the players that are typically the tight end on one side, and the opposite tackle.  But it could be two tight ends.  It could be just two tackles.  The idea is that, after the snap, no one should expect an offensive lineman to NOT block a defensive linemen in that area from the blind side.  That is unrealistic, and totally outside the bounds of the purpose of this rule.  Even though such a block within this area could be violent, the chances of such a block being violent are very small, and every player in that area must expect that he is subject to being blocked like that in this area.
It is when a player is pursuing a ball carrier, or an opponent (for blocking purposes) outside of this immediate neutral zone area that this rule is intended to apply. 
BSB example: A linebacker sliding down the neutral zone to the outside while he is tracking the ball carrier and gets blasted from the blind side by a wide receiver coming back inside. 
BSB example: A defensive end holding his ground, awaiting a BC that is advancing toward him, and a slot back heading back inside blasts the DE from the blind side. 
BSB example: Offensive guard is chasing an opponent to attempt to block for the ball carrier and is focused on that opponent when another opponent blasts him from the blind side. (The rule applies equally to both teams.)
No Foul example: Middle linebacker steps up into the NZ immediately after the snap, and is reading the play when an offensive tackle (from a normal tackle position) blasts the MLB (who doesn't see him coming).

By and large, if you see a block that is "forceful" and from outside the opponent's field of vision, it will be a foul.  If it is in that mass of bodies in the neutral zone area at or shortly after the snap, the chances of that type of forceful block happening would be very unusual to begin with, and won't be a foul, if it does happen.

Hope that helps.

Robert   

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 10:07:28 AM »
Can someone give the definition of what an "Open Field Block" is?

Anything other than an offensive lineman blocking a defensive lineman?

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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 11:59:56 AM »
Anything other than an offensive lineman blocking a defensive lineman?

The OL could block the DL downfield or behind the line from the blindside and you would still have a open field block
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Re: Blindside Block ??
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2019, 06:32:48 PM »
The OL could block the DL downfield or behind the line from the blindside and you would still have a open field block

OL blocking DL at the snap?