Author Topic: Who's on First? (Read 29114 times)

CalhounLJ · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2020, 11:11:50 AM »

Lol. A should have been pleased. I'd much rather have first and inches than first and ten//

Curious · « **Reply #26 on:** February 19, 2020, 11:18:57 AM »

Quote from: BetweenTheLines on December 31, 2019, 07:37:14 AM

You have a fifteen or ten yard penalty against B from B's 19 yard line. How many yards for the penalty? Where does the ball end up? Iv'e had this twice this year and my wing man in one of the contests swore the spot didn't make any sense because I was shouting out the distance not the spot. The first time this happened this year was in a tight game with time running out, it got more confusing than it should have and both were live ball penalties on first down.

In this scenario, I'm "strongly encouraging" the calling official to "inform"

me that the foul occurred at the 20 or 18. Who's to argue? Are we really THAT accurate with the flag....

Magician · « **Reply #27 on:** February 19, 2020, 01:27:11 PM »

Quote from: js in sc on February 19, 2020, 10:46:05 AM

Also, remember we are dealing with some grass fields that are marked manually. I have seen some yard lines that are off by as much as a foot when you look at them closely across the field. It is not always the chains but the yard line irregularity.

This was an NFL stadium. The lines were pretty good.

Matt · « **Reply #28 on:** February 19, 2020, 01:55:42 PM »

I did a game on a field like this once Part of the field was fine but the other half looked like it was marked after a three+ martini lunch. Some of the yard lines looked like snakes slithering across the field.

AlUpstateNY · « **Reply #29 on:** February 20, 2020, 09:24:37 AM »

Quote from: Curious on February 19, 2020, 11:18:57 AM

In this scenario, I'm "strongly encouraging" the calling official to "inform" me that the foul occurred at the 20 or 18. Who's to argue? Are we really THAT accurate with the flag....

The object is "communicating", maybe getting close enough to each other where "shouting" isn't necessary and being able to ask/answer direct questions might eliminate possible confusion or misunderstanding.

CalhounLJ · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2020, 10:14:38 AM »

Or we could just use our radios.

KWH · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2020, 03:06:12 PM »

ALF -
I agree with Calhoun!
Using the Radios is much preferred to shouting across the field.

AlUpstateNY · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2020, 07:27:08 PM »

Quote from: KWH on February 21, 2020, 03:06:12 PM

ALF -
I agree with Calhoun!
Using the Radios is much preferred to shouting across the field.

Perhaps, if your crews use radios, but for those of us that have yet to "progress" that far, simply moving towards each other, where you can communicate without shouting, is still a pretty effective way to reduce confusion.

We all have both BIG voices, as well as little voices, each which are designed to handle different situations better.

KWH · « **Reply #33 on:** February 23, 2020, 03:22:56 PM »

Quote from: AlUpstateNY on February 21, 2020, 07:27:08 PM

Perhaps, if your crews use radios, but for those of us that have yet to "progress" that far, simply moving towards each other, where you can communicate without shouting, is still a pretty effective way to reduce confusion.

We all have both BIG voices, as well as little voices, each which are designed to handle different situations better.

Out here on the left coast we all just bucked up and bought our own O2O Radios.
Best improvement to officiating since they phased out those damned stirrup sox and added the Back Judge.

VALJ · « **Reply #34 on:** February 26, 2020, 08:41:10 AM »

Quote from: Magician on February 19, 2020, 10:23:01 AM

Worked chains for a game last year where the crew was generally using lines to start a series. A reaches a spot where the ball is touching the yard line at the LTG. They chose to measure and the front stake fell about 6 inches beyond the nose of the ball. Not sure if the back stake was set incorrectly or the clip was off or the H put the clip down on the wrong side of the line. But it should have been a first down based on where the series started. But something happened with the chains or the clip that resulted in a turnover on downs.

"Coach, we started on the line, and he reached the line. That's a first down." No need to measure there.

CalhounLJ · « **Reply #35 on:** February 26, 2020, 09:46:04 AM »

Had that convo at least twice last year. Most memorable: 3rd and whatever. Runner made the 30. Defense coach was like, "you're not going to measure that?" I was like, "Coach we started on the 20 with a touchback. Now we are on the 30. That's a first down all night long." He was like, "

Legacy Zebra · « **Reply #36 on:** February 26, 2020, 11:07:52 AM »

With SV coaches I like having them work it out themselves. “Coach, if we started at the 25 (I’m in Texas) after the touchback and now we’re at the 35, how far did we go?” That’s a little too snarky for me to use with varsity or college coaches, but it makes them think a little more so they stop yelling for a second.

NoVaBJ · « **Reply #37 on:** February 29, 2020, 03:52:55 PM »

This is not college. Don't play God for the purposes of minimizing measurements. The forward point of the ball goes on the 9.5. Any other answer is incorrect.

Magician · « **Reply #38 on:** March 02, 2020, 10:49:50 AM »

Quote from: VALJ on February 26, 2020, 08:41:10 AM

"Coach, we started on the line, and he reached the line. That's a first down." No need to measure there.

That was my thought exactly! Not sure why the crew chose to measure. They got a big downgrade from any experienced official watching them. Maybe we should have on the chain crew because either the clip was wrong or the placement of the back stake was wrong or both.

Magician · « **Reply #39 on:** March 02, 2020, 10:51:11 AM »

Quote from: NoVaBJ on February 29, 2020, 03:52:55 PM

This is not college. Don't play God for the purposes of minimizing measurements. The forward point of the ball goes on the 9.5. Any other answer is incorrect.

It's called smart game management. It's 1st and 10 from the 9.5 or the 10. The stats guy is considering it the 10 anyway. This is good officiating in college, high school or 3rd grade flag.

KWH · « **Reply #40 on:** March 02, 2020, 12:28:32 PM »

Quote from: Magician on March 02, 2020, 10:51:11 AM

It's called smart game management. It's 1st and 10 from the 9.5 or the 10. The stats guy is considering it the 10 anyway. This is good officiating in college, high school or 3rd grade flag.

I agree with Brian

VALJ · « **Reply #41 on:** March 04, 2020, 07:22:58 AM »

Quote from: Magician on March 02, 2020, 10:51:11 AM

The stats guy is considering it the 10 anyway.

Regardless of your opinion on where we should be spotting the ball in this situation, and what good game management is, the last thing in the world I'm concerned with is what the stats guy is going to say. We don't officiate the stats. We officiate on the field.

CalhounLJ · « **Reply #42 on:** March 04, 2020, 07:45:33 AM »

I agree. The stat guy is not relevant. I also agree the purist solution is the 9 ½. Practically, knowing how my U and H operate, we would snap the ball next from the 9.

Ralph Damren · « **Reply #43 on:** March 10, 2020, 01:39:12 PM »

Many of our fields in Maine were hay fields where cows once roamed. A couple of mis-marked markings are remembered :

(1) In our pre-game measurement of the chains, from the 45 to the 45 showed the chains to be about a yard short.

(2) We quickly summoned Mr. AD.

(3) He suggested : "Try 30 to 40"

- it was on the money

.
(4) Mr. AD informed us that the goal posts were mistakenly placed 121 yards apart, hence the "51 yard line".

(5) Visiting coach was advised and Mr. AD was suggested to go with 10.5 yard end zones next year.

In a state championship game, chains checked out on "45 to 45" stretch....

(1) We had a touchback, chains set properly at 20.
(2) After 1 play, a

wide-eyed wingman came a' running in.
(3) The chains had only stretched short of the 30 by a foot.
(4) We quickly checked 30 to 40 = on the money.
(5) Told both coaches that the chains were official and the 30 yard line was not....

.......AND THE BAND PLAYED ON

$:-\$

(FANS)

MORALE OF STORY :
The game is played by humans, coached by humans, officiated by humans, field marked by humans and cheered by humans....THE LAST TWO MAY NOT BE SOBER !

AlUpstateNY · « **Reply #44 on:** March 10, 2020, 03:31:37 PM »

Perhaps the greatest attribute of a competent Football Game official is still their "common sense understanding of the game and it's rules" and their ability to apply them.