Choreographed Celebration?

[dammitbobby]

This thread has taken a lot of turns. I was having a discussion about the choreographed celebration with my buddy here in SC.. We figured the way things work this type of celebration will probably filter down to the high school level at one time or another and we should be ready for it. There were two more types of celebrations going on in TV land and would like everyone's opinion on these also. Signaling for a first down after a play and spinning the football on the ground. We, (my buddy and I) kinda decided that telling the player to not do it again would hopefully work. I know there is no rules support for that but this seems to be a good solution. What do you all think?

I'd think this would be similar to a false start announced as 'everybody but the center.'  You don't walk off 10 5-yard penalties.

[NMWH]

Wait a minute, that makes sense !!

 

[Ralph Damren]

I'd think this would be similar to a false start announced as 'everybody but the center.'  You don't walk off 10 5-yard penalties.

10 multiple false-start fouls = 1 foul enforced, so we've got that covered ! 

I was working a championship game several years ago when, with under a minute to go, a brawl breaks out. Several able-bodied athletic directors were sideline "bouncers" and along with several rent-a-cops  restored law and order while  wrote down numbers. When the smoke had cleared, there were  on the losing team and  on the winning team. Doing the math we were about to send  our ump on a 60 yard journey when the losing coach piped up : " I'm ready to call it a game, if you are ?" ,he inquired to the opposing coach. He ,too, agreed. I applauded  and instructed our  ump to merely hold the ball in the air and save his shoe leather. All the fouls were of a disqualifying  nature, and that held.

In 2014, I proposed the NCAA version of DBPF's and USC's cancelling even if there was an unequal number of fouls between  the teams. That failed on the floor, as the opponents stated that some flagged would go unpunished. In 2015, I again proposed removing the "in order of occurrence" enforcement and to allow such fouls to cancel the equal number of dead ball fouls and enforce  any excess fouls.

IMHO, if the fouls require automatic disqualification, the yards need to be stepped off. IMHO, as in the OP, 9-9-5, you have the authority to have one flag with the drama club teammates all being charged with a USC.

[markrischard]

False start is a dead ball foul.

[Ralph Damren]

False start is a dead ball foul.

Good catch, Markrischard, I have since corrected. 

[ucanfindmj]

Is this not a disconcerting act that follows the 5 yd. enforcement?

[Ralph Damren]

Is this not a disconcerting act that follows the 5 yd. enforcement?

A disconcerting act is one that tries to cause the offense to false start. The OP was an attempt to show their drama skills and let the frenzied masses know that is the first touchdown they have ever scored ! 

[BetweenTheLines]

So let's get this straight now. If we have a six against two brawl we have eight ejections and 60 yards worth of penalties. Is that correct? We had this happen a few years ago. Two were fighting in the middle of the field and seven from one team came onto the field of play. We assessed all seven visitors, (the first two offset). The white hat was very priestly blessing the seven offenders dead ball unsportsmanlike times seven I was laughing as a Line Judge watching him genuflecting out there.

[dammitbobby]

I'd say that is correct, although it would likely be more accurate to say 6 penalties to enforce; unless they're inside B40 you're going to be going half the distance on several of those.

I'd also say this is a situation that should be treated differently than the end zone celebration scenario,because of the automatic DQ, hence different outcome.

[CalhounLJ]

Never mind. Didn’t read carefully.

[Ralph Damren]

TGIF surprise test..... let's tweak this a little....

Fight begins between the two opponents during a live ball, as the 2nd period ends. The Magnificent Seven visitors then wander our to see who is winning . You are the lucky white hat and need to decide....

(1) Offset the 2 PFs and tack the 7 USCs onto the ensuing kickoff.
(2) Offset the 2 PFs and tack the 7 USCs  on for an untimed down.
(3) Offset the 2 PFs and allow which USC the home team wishes now and carry the remainder to the ensuing kickoff.
(4) As halftime appears to arrived, how would you determine which players are crossing the field toward their locker room and which were out to watch the fight ?
(5) Offset the 2 PFs, have an untimed down, and give the wanders the benefit of doubt.
(6) Call the PFs a dead ball foul and DQ - they cancel -and off to halftime and a warm room.

[dammitbobby]

Because of 4, I would choose 5.

[ncwingman]

You have a double foul situation on the play during which time expired, which means you should have an untimed down.

If the seven off the bench really didn't participate and just got a closer angle as they were fundamentally walking to the locker room, I'd also vote 5 -- a stern talking to and warning to never make me even think about throwing that flag. If they engaged in the ruckus at all, then we've got problems.

If any of the seven earn a flag (and a DQ), the enforcement of that must be on the untimed down since we've got one. There's no option to enforce the fouls on the second half kickoff if there is a play between now and then.

Final option -- convince both coaches to decline the live ball PFs that would have offset anyway, and the half is over -- go simmer down during halftime.

[Ralph Damren]

Because of 4, I would choose 5.

I agree, Bobby, lets not get too flag happy on this.

[Ralph Damren]

You have a double foul situation on the play during which time expired, which means you should have an untimed down.

If the seven off the bench really didn't participate and just got a closer angle as they were fundamentally walking to the locker room, I'd also vote 5 -- a stern talking to and warning to never make me even think about throwing that flag. If they engaged in the ruckus at all, then we've got problems.

If any of the seven earn a flag (and a DQ), the enforcement of that must be on the untimed down since we've got one. There's no option to enforce the fouls on the second half kickoff if there is a play between now and then.

Final option -- convince both coaches to decline the live ball PFs that would have offset anyway, and the half is over -- go simmer down during halftime.

Good points, NCwingman. The option to decline the double fouls by the coaches , unlike those that before and after a COP, isn't available. You could ,however, rule that the "failure to communicate " didn't rise to the fight/DQ level until after the ball became dead = DBPFs cancel and all can go to a warm place to cool off. CAUTION :If the team on offense is within FG range, you could be taking away their chance to score.

[VALJ]

Final option -- convince both coaches to decline the live ball PFs that would have offset anyway, and the half is over -- go simmer down during halftime.

Sorry that I'm late to the party, but the fouls automatically offset with a replay of the down, don't they?  There's no option to decline part of a double foul unless there's a COP during the down, right?

[CalhounLJ]

I think that's what Ralph said in the post above yours