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Offline JasonTX

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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2020, 04:05:09 PM »
You are trying to pivot. My post was not about Trump but rather about Fox being “fake” and slanted to whatever Trump says.

As far as your post, this is one heck of a mistake for the leader of our country. If he took it seriously from the beginning, maybe the entire country would not be shut down, and the markets crashing.  This is not just a little “mistake,” it is a disaster.  Trump said the Corona virus was hoax (come on get real that is much more than a mistake and definitely shows a lack of leadership on the most dangerous issue facing our country and economy probably since the Great Depression). He never takes responsibility for anything it is always someone else’s fault.  Whatever happened to the “buck stops here”. He has 0 leadership abilities.

He took it serious.  He was told he was overreacting when he issued the travel ban.  During the impeachment he was accused of trying to distract the public away from the impeachment.  When China had one person infected, nobody knew that it was anything more than a common flu.  The bottom line is, Trump can't do anything right in your eyes.  It doesn't matter what his response was or will be, he will always be criticized.   In football officiating we have a rule book to get us out of most any challenge we face on the field.   Trump is not afforded a step by step book for this.  Now go troll somewhere else.  I'm done with you.

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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2020, 04:25:53 PM »
It is funny how some people cannot look at the President with any hint of criticism. They ask for sources, and when they are provided, they resort to using the logical fallacy of ad hominem attacks.

As an aside, it was never part of my original discussion, I agree with the travel restrictions that were placed on China.  That really has nothing to do with my original points though.

The original statement regarding Fox News strands. They are in no way real news.  They are ‘Fake news” and slanted to whatever the administration says.
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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2020, 08:30:06 AM »
Let’s keep politics out of this or this one will be shut down
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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2020, 12:40:32 PM »
Many Type A personalities have strong opinions.....

Many sports officials are Type A personalities.......

Many strong opinions deal with politics......

I strongly enjoy this website as ,to me, it puts the worries of the world behind and discusses our mutual love of football.

Carol did the right thing by moving this into the non-football arena .
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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2020, 01:41:23 PM »
Let’s keep politics out of this or this one will be shut down

Better bet is to just shut it down now. It is hard for some of us to keep our mouths shut (well fingers off the keyboards)

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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2020, 07:32:33 PM »
You are trying to pivot. My post was not about Trump but rather about Fox being “fake” and slanted to whatever Trump says.

As far as your post, this is one heck of a mistake for the leader of our country. If he took it seriously from the beginning, maybe the entire country would not be shut down, and the markets crashing.  This is not just a little “mistake,” it is a disaster.  Trump said the Corona virus was hoax (come on get real that is much more than a mistake and definitely shows a lack of leadership on the most dangerous issue facing our country and economy probably since the Great Depression). He never takes responsibility for anything it is always someone else’s fault.  Whatever happened to the “buck stops here”. He has 0 leadership abilities.
Do some research before spouting leftist talking points. At no time did the president ever call Covid-19 a hoax. During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, the President likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax."


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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2020, 07:34:02 AM »
AHH....remembering to the daze of my youth, when political debates were often phrased with : " My HONORED opponent feels that way, but I feel...." . Today it seems more like : " I if you think I'm a louse, my opponent is even a bigger one  >:( ".
 
Be ye Democrat, GOP, Whig or whatever ; we are all Americans. In football talk , the offensive unit and defensive unit are on the same team just trying to win a different way. While I usually vote more GOP than Democrat, I consider myself an American first. In my lifetime I've seen Maine elect two I - governors and a current I - US Senator. In the recent impeachment trial, Congressman Jared Golden (D-ME) was the only one to cross party lines and vote nay on one of the articles. On the Senate side, Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) was the only one to cross party lines and vote yay to hear witnesses. They both voted with their hearts and will get my vote this Fall.

These are trying days for all of us. Let us all be Americans and try to stay positive and support our leaders in Congress, the White House, Governorship, State House or Mayor. We stand a much better chance of coming out of this quicker if we all stand togather , than to just waive our fingers at each other.

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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2020, 09:06:07 AM »
Better bet is to just shut it down now. It is hard for some of us to keep our mouths shut (well fingers off the keyboards)

BTW I am talking about myself

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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2020, 09:46:44 AM »
AHH....remembering to the daze of my youth, when political debates were often phrased with : " My HONORED opponent feels that way, but I feel...." . Today it seems more like : " I if you think I'm a louse, my opponent is even a bigger one  >:( ".
 
Be ye Democrat, GOP, Whig or whatever ; we are all Americans. In football talk , the offensive unit and defensive unit are on the same team just trying to win a different way. While I usually vote more GOP than Democrat, I consider myself an American first. In my lifetime I've seen Maine elect two I - governors and a current I - US Senator. In the recent impeachment trial, Congressman Jared Golden (D-ME) was the only one to cross party lines and vote nay on one of the articles. On the Senate side, Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) was the only one to cross party lines and vote yay to hear witnesses. They both voted with their hearts and will get my vote this Fall.

These are trying days for all of us. Let us all be Americans and try to stay positive and support our leaders in Congress, the White House, Governorship, State House or Mayor. We stand a much better chance of coming out of this quicker if we all stand togather , than to just waive our fingers at each other.

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Well said, Ralph.  I think the vast majority of Americans feel the same way.  Unfortunately, it's the loud, crazy ones with the wildest ideas (on both sides) that seem to always make it on TV.  I guess that brings in viewers and sells ads. 

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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2020, 07:07:40 AM »
The guy speaks for himself.  No need for “leftist talking points.”

https://youtu.be/mTjTaR748eg

https://youtu.be/HvE9hCZ-jaU
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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2020, 12:58:40 PM »
The guy speaks for himself.  No need for “leftist talking points.”

https://youtu.be/mTjTaR748eg

https://youtu.be/HvE9hCZ-jaU

Excellent leadership.   He evolved with the problem.  At 15 cases it wasn't that big and nobody knew how big it would get.  But Trump took a bold step and issued a travel ban from China.  He was attacked and called a racist and xenophobe.   That move is now being highlighted as saving thousands of lives on top of what we are now seeing.  This is a logistical nightmare like we have never seen but this President is bringing out the best in our country like we have never seen before. 

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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2020, 04:30:42 PM »
The travel ban is the only thing he got right. Which by the way is his first answer for every issue, close the border, build a wall, etc.

Other than that, He was saying that the virus was no big deal.  We should have started preparing way back then and building ventilators.  Even today, when asked about these issues, he blames the “previous administration.”  He has been in office over 3 years so he owns this.   Leaders take responsibility, and do not pass the blame to others. Whatever happened to “the buck stops here?”  Trump a leader? Not so much.  He is currently -playing catch up, and people are losing their life because of it.
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Re: Can't help but wonder...
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2020, 10:03:31 PM »
Long time lurker, gonna jump in here and say I think you are both wrong!

Punter, President Trump did not say it was a hoax. I do not like his dishonesty in general, but he did not do that and it's wrong to say that he did.

JasonTX, the idea that "At 15 cases it wasn't that big and nobody knew how big it would get" is ridiculous. By the time it was at 15 cases here it was very clear what was coming and, as the chief executive, he should have been taking it more seriously rather than trying to downplay it by saying it was under control or that it was going to disappear because it was clear that it wasn't.
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My state has been very slow in responding in general (we do not have any sort of shelter in place order or anything like that yet), and from the Athletics side we have not formally shut down the spring sports entirely yet. I know they are just trying to hold out hope that things will turn around, but I wish they would pull the trigger already. If we come back when they are hoping to, we'll get two weeks and then baseball/softball regionals start and state track, and three weeks and state soccer/baseball/softball playoffs. There's just no time to do it. I feel terrible for the seniors, I really do, but I think the false hope that maybe we can come back is going to lead to more disappointment than if they just pulled the band-aid off now.