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Offline Brian26

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Busted punt play
« on: August 18, 2020, 03:25:53 PM »
4th/10 on K 20yd line, snap is botched, punter K80 recovers and;
 
a) scrambles to K 15yd line where he throws a complete pass to ineligible K60 where he is immediately tackled at R 45yd line
 
b) scrambles K80 scrambles to K 31yd line throws a complete pass to eligible K86 where he is immediately tackled at R 45yd line
 
c) scrambles to K 10yd line throws a complete pass to eligible K86 where he is immediately tackled at R 45yd line but there is a flag for ineligible receiver down field.


 What are the correct enforcement?

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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2020, 03:56:10 PM »
Quote from: Brian26 on August 18, 2020, 03:25:53 PM
4th/10 on K 20yd line, snap is botched, punter K80 recovers and;
 
a) scrambles to K 15yd line where he throws a complete pass to ineligible K60 where he is immediately tackled at R 45yd line
 
b) scrambles K80 scrambles to K 31yd line throws a complete pass to eligible K86 where he is immediately tackled at R 45yd line
 
c) scrambles to K 10yd line throws a complete pass to eligible K86 where he is immediately tackled at R 45yd line but there is a flag for ineligible receiver down field.


 What are the correct enforcement?
In a) and b), it is an illegal pass.  5yds and loss of down from the spot of the pass.
R will undoubtedly take the 5yds from the 15 yd line, a).  1st and goal from the 10 for Team R.

In c) it would be a repeat of 4th down from the K 15 yd line.
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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2020, 04:00:18 PM »
a) is illegal pass? I thought it would be illegal touching by the ineligible receiver. Still loss of down but wouldn't that be enforced from previous spot?
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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2020, 05:48:33 PM »
What is illegal about the pass in situation A?
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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2020, 05:53:25 PM »
Quote from: Brian26 on August 18, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
a) is illegal pass? I thought it would be illegal touching by the ineligible receiver. Still loss of down but wouldn't that be enforced from previous spot?
You are correct.  Brain cramp.
Team R would still take option a).  5 yds and loss of down from the LoS if the pass was not completed behind the LoS.
1st and 10 from the 15.
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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2020, 09:45:50 AM »
a. 1st and 10 for R/B @K15 after enforcement of illegal touching.

b. 1st and 10 for R/B @K26 after enforcement for Illegal forward pass

c. 4th and 15 for K @K15
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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2020, 03:56:40 PM »
Quote from: CalhounLJ on August 19, 2020, 09:45:50 AM
a. 1st and 10 for R/B @K15 after enforcement of illegal touching.

b. 1st and 10 for R/B @K26 after enforcement for Illegal forward pass

c. 4th and 15 for K @K15


Different example in b. K scrambles to R 36 yd line and throws the illegal forward pass. Would that give K 1st and 10 at R 31 after penalty enforcement?
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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2020, 04:38:36 PM »
Quote from: Brian26 on August 20, 2020, 03:56:40 PM

Different example in b. K scrambles to R 36 yd line and throws the illegal forward pass. Would that give K 1st and 10 at R 31 after penalty enforcement?
Yes it would.
That is why I stated Team R would take option a).

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« Last Edit: August 20, 2020, 05:46:34 PM by GA Umpire »
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Re: Busted punt play
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2020, 05:32:25 PM »
I agree with GA except I think he meant to say R would take option A.
iOS, R would accept the penalty instead of the play because that would put K snapping from the 31 instead of the 45.
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