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Offline hubba@sc.rr.com

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PSK foul explaination
« on: September 14, 2020, 01:53:27 PM »
Can someone explain in layman's terms the PSK ruling? When the ball is punted and in the air it is considered a loose ball until R gains possession.
All the rules say that loose ball fouls (R fouls while ball is loose) go back to previous spot. P means Post so any foul before possession goes back to Previous Spot and after R catches ball and fouls
after that or from spot of foul etc.

Please help!

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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2020, 02:31:49 PM »
Can someone explain in layman's terms the PSK ruling?

The idea behind the PSK is that this is the one time that a team can legally gain possession of the ball after fouling.

So, say it's a 4th and 10 for K. They punt. During the punt, while the ball is in the air, R holds. R then catches the ball at the 50. Then runs around and gains some amount of yards. If the PSK didn't exist, you would give K the ball - previous spot add 10 - 1st down after the holding penalty.

But didn't K 'give up' possession of the ball by kicking it? Do they really deserve the ball back? That's the reason for the PSK. Give R the ball, put enforce the penalty at the end of the kick (which we mark with a blue bean bag)


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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2020, 02:46:04 PM »
Can someone explain in layman's terms the PSK ruling? When the ball is punted and in the air it is considered a loose ball until R gains possession.
All the rules say that loose ball fouls (R fouls while ball is loose) go back to previous spot. P means Post so any foul before possession goes back to Previous Spot and after R catches ball and fouls
after that or from spot of foul etc.

Please help! 

The first place to look would be NFHS: 2-16-2h (PSK).  If memory serves, this was a distinct effort to create an exception to the Universal enforcement of "loose-ball penalty" administration, in as much to better balance the risk/reward consequence of an offensive decision to "scrimmage kick" confirms the teams agreement to relinquish possession of the ball, in return for the opportunity to improve field possession by completing a scrimmage kick.

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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 03:43:23 PM »
Can someone explain in layman's terms the PSK ruling? When the ball is punted and in the air it is considered a loose ball until R gains possession.
All the rules say that loose ball fouls (R fouls while ball is loose) go back to previous spot. P means Post so any foul before possession goes back to Previous Spot and after R catches ball and fouls
after that or from spot of foul etc.

Please help!
Bbeagle is on the right track. The philosophy is that K fully intended to give up the football by virtue of the punt. Instead of giving it back to them, the inventors of PSK decided to honor Ks intent to give up the ball and also penalize R for any penalty incurred once the ball was beyond the NZ. Plus, there was the hope that psk would reduce replays of kicking downs. Which it has.


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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 04:17:11 PM »
Calhoun nailed it.

Reddings Guide has a good explanation, which is why buying one is a good investment:

PSK Fouls:  "Post scrimmage kick enforcement allows the receiving team to retain possession of the ball after they have forced the opponents to punt, even though (they) commit certain fouls before possession actually changes....."

.....Under (PSK) enforcement.....the all but one principal is still used but it is applied as if ...R were the team in possession."

4 requirements: 1) Foul is by R.  2) Foul, (other than Ill. Sub. or Ill. Part. fouls occurring at the snap), occurs beyond the ENZ.  3) Foul occurs from the snap until  the end of the kick ( but not kick tries or a successful FG) and the kick crosses the ENZ.  4) R will be next to put the ball in play.

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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2020, 04:19:08 PM »
add a 5th requirement?   Ball must cross the extended neutral zone.

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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2020, 04:24:48 PM »
Its tucked into #4.

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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2020, 06:58:08 PM »
add a 5th requirement?   Ball must cross the extended neutral zone.

You might re-read NFHS: 2-16-h-2 "During scrimmage kick play in which the ball crosses the ENZ"

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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2020, 07:17:34 PM »
You might re-read NFHS: 2-16-h-2 "During scrimmage kick play in which the ball crosses the ENZ"

Hi Al.  yes I understand that and how I have taught this is this:  For PSK it does not matter where the kick ends but the kick just has to cross the expanded neutral zone.  The spot for any PSK foul if the ball crosses the endzone is the 20 yard line.  Where the kick end is only important for penalty enforcement and that's why we beanbag where the punt receiver possesses the ball.

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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2020, 08:01:27 PM »
I remember it like this
R- foul by R
B- beyond the neutral zone
D-during a kick that crossed the zone
K- will not be next to snap.


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Re: PSK foul explaination
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2020, 01:25:04 PM »
Can someone explain in layman's terms the PSK ruling? When the ball is punted and in the air it is considered a loose ball until R gains possession.
All the rules say that loose ball fouls (R fouls while ball is loose) go back to previous spot. P means Post so any foul before possession goes back to Previous Spot and after R catches ball and fouls
after that or from spot of foul etc.

Please help!

The simplest non-rulebook way to remember it:
Fouls that are part of the punt coverage are PSK.
Fouls that are part of the punt rush are previous spot.

This will cover 99% of punt fouls.
Make sure B/R is next to put the ball in play for PSK.