Player flips ball up (or down)

[Farooq]

I don't have a video unfortunately. Case from game where my colleague officiated.

QB faces side-line and flips ball up behind LOS. Ball moves vertically up. TE runs on QB towards his end-zone and grabs flipped ball. Then TE boots to the side-line and throws a forward pass on receiver. Second forward pass or backward pass with forward pass?

[Kalle]

Any pass that does not go forward is by rule a backward pass (ok, ok, there is one exception but it does not apply here), so in your play situation there is only one forward pass.

[Farooq]

Any pass that does not go forward is by rule a backward pass (ok, ok, there is one exception but it does not apply here), so in your play situation there is only one forward pass.

thank you
exception? please, tell about this exception

[Kalle]

thank you
exception? please, tell about this exception

See rule 2-19-2-b.

[Farooq]

See rule 2-19-2-b.

Thank you again, Kalle
In other words if QB moves his hands with a ball forward and it leaves his hands, but flies vertically up. That would be considered as a forward pass.
If he flips ball up from still hands its a backward pass

[Kalle]

Thank you again, Kalle
In other words if QB moves his hands with a ball forward and it leaves his hands, but flies vertically up. That would be considered as a forward pass.
If he flips ball up from still hands its a backward pass

No. Rule 2-19-2-b applies to situations where the passer is intending to execute a forward pass, but contact by an opponent causes the ball not to go forward. In your example the passer is attempting to execute a backward pass, so his movements before the ball leaves his hands do not matter.

[Farooq]

Got it   

[Farooq]

Regarding that a player can flip ball up for backward pass on teammate I assume that he can also throw/drop ball down too. If ball flies after that vertically down (doesnt go forward) and will be caught on the spot where it left BC's hand its backward pass too, right?

[Farooq]

something like that

[Etref]

And not bad art I may add!

[JasonTX]

And not bad art I may add!

That faceshield is illegal.  I can't see his eyes so the tint is too dark.   

[Kalle]

Regarding that a player can flip ball up for backward pass on teammate I assume that he can also throw/drop ball down too. If ball flies after that vertically down (doesnt go forward) and will be caught on the spot where it left BC's hand its backward pass too, right?

Yes. I guess technically if the player simply drops the ball, it is a fumble (a pass requires that the ball is "thrown"), but that would only matter on a fourth down (or a try), and I think that would be a very technical interpretation.

[Farooq]

Yes. I guess technically if the player simply drops the ball, it is a fumble (a pass requires that the ball is "thrown"), but that would only matter on a fourth down (or a try), and I think that would be a very technical interpretation.

So to make it a backward pass not a fumble BC has to make some movement of hands with a ball (not just release ball from still hands): push/spike ball vertically down to prepared hands of a teammate underneath?