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2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« on: May 30, 2024, 11:28:01 PM »
My answer to No.6 is based upon the official NCAA toe/heel - heel/toe interpretation when an airborne player returns to the ground. If heel/toe applies to a player returning to the ground, then it must apply to a player rising from the ground. IMHO.
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1. 1/10 @ A-25. Late in the 1st quarter, ball carrier A21 circles right end toward his team area and is hit by B54 at the A-30. A21 continues to drive forward and lands with his body down at the A-34 out of bounds in the white. There are no substitutions for Team A.
RULING:
A, 2/1, (spot where ball crossed the sideline between the A-30 and the A-34), game clock continues to run (play clock 40 and running when the ball became dead). I have no idea why there is a reference to substitutions.

2. 3/4 @ B-30. Following the Two-Minute Timeout in the 4th quarter, ball carrier A22 runs and goes out of bounds at the B-18. B88 commits a dead ball personal foul immediately after the ball is out of bounds.
RULING:
A, 1/G, B-9, snap (25).
The game clock is stopped for the BC going OB. The dead-ball personal foul is penalized from the dead-ball spot, ½ the distance to the goal, with a first down. The play clock is set to 25-seconds and starts on the referee’s signal, and the game clock starts on the snap.


3. Free Kick @ A-35. Late in the game with the score tied, Team A lines up to free kick and Kicker A10 places the ball down at the right hash for an apparent onside kick. After the Referee’s ready-for-play signal, A10 approaches the ball and then picks up the ball, runs to the left hash at the A-35, places the ball down, and quickly kicks the ball.
RULING:
A, free kick, A-30, free kick timing (25).
Once the ball is placed for the kick, it may not be relocated to another spot, except following a charged team time out, or for a subsequent kick. This is a dead-ball foul, and game officials shall not allow the ball to be kicked. The 5-yard penalty shall be enforced at the succeeding spot, for a free kick to follow at the yard line where the penalty leaves the ball. (Note: For the succeeding free kick, Team A may select any spot along their restraining line (between the hash marks) for the ball to be placed.)


4. 1/10 @ A-25. With the game clock running, defender B70 is lined up with his right hand and helmet in the neutral zone. As the play clock winds down, restricted lineman A77 reaches out and touches B70.
RULING:
A, 1/15, A-20, ready (25).
A77 commits a dead-ball foul for encroachment, for being in the neutral zone after the ball is ready for play. The 5-yard penalty is enforced at the succeeding spot, and the down continues. B70’s position is of no consequence, since the ball was not legally snapped.

5. 2/10 @ B-30. After the Two-Minute Timeout in the second quarter, the ball is snapped over the head of quarterback A12, who is in the shotgun formation. A12 recovers the ball and immediately throws it forward into the ground to conserve time at the B-40. The clock reads 1:01 after the play.
RULING:
A, 3/25, B-45, 0:51 (4), ready (25).
The ball from the snap must be caught and immediately thrown forward to the ground to legally ground the ball to conserve time. The penalty is 5-yards from the spot of the pass, plus loss of down. For 2024, inside 2:00 minutes in the 4th period, a 10-second subtraction is applicable, and the game clock is set to 0:51. When a 10SS is accepted, the game clock starts on the referee’s signal (by rule).


6. 1/10 @ A-30. Defender B21 is airborne near the sideline when he gains firm control of a legal forward pass and lands with both feet inbounds at the A-45 and is down. When B21 jumped from the sideline area, his left heel was out of bounds, and he jumped with a single process with the heel coming off the ground just before the toes.
RULING:
A, 2/10, A-30, snap (40 and running).
When a heel touches a sideline, and then rises off the ground, with the toe still in contact with the ground, without significant movement of the toe from the spot where it was when the heel touched the sideline, the player is still considered out of bounds, and must return to the ground inbounds, with no part of his body touching anything out of bounds to be considered as having “re-established” himself inbounds. Officially, he was still out of bounds when he touched the ball, which makes the ball out of bounds and dead; thus, incomplete forward pass.


7. 2/10 @ B-30. After the Two-Minute Timeout in the second quarter, quarterback A10, who has not been outside the tackle box, throws a desperation pass from the B-35 that falls incomplete after ineligible A58 touches the ball in an attempt to catch it at the line of scrimmage. There were no eligible receivers in the area. The clock reads 0:25 after the play.
RULING:
A, 3/15, B-35, 0:15 (2), ready (no play clock).
A10 commits a foul for an incomplete forward pass to conserve time (ING). The penalty for the ING is loss of down at the spot of the pass. Since the foul caused the game clock to stop within the final 2-minutes of the 2nd period, a 10-second subtraction is applicable.
(There is no foul by A58 for illegally touching the ball, because the pass was illegal. Ironically, the 5-yard penalty for such illegal touching would place the ball at the same yard line, with loss of down, yielding the same result as the ING penalty.)


8. 2/10 @ B-30. After the Two-Minute Timeout in the second quarter, quarterback A10, who has not been outside the tackle box, throws a desperation pass from the B-35 that falls incomplete after ineligible A58 touches the ball in an attempt to catch it at the line of scrimmage. There were no eligible receivers in the area. The clock reads 0:00 after the play.
RULING:
Halftime.
A10 commits a foul for an incomplete forward pass to conserve time (ING). The penalty for the ING is loss of down at the spot of the pass. Since time in the period expired during the down, the period is not extended (although Team B does have the option to extend the period for an untimed down – highly unlikely).


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Re: 2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2024, 06:57:58 AM »
Agreed on all. #1 was a bit of a head-scratcher for me with the substitution reference.

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Re: 2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2024, 08:10:02 AM »
#1 is likely referencing the auto sub mechanic used when a team A player goes OOB in their team area.

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Re: 2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2024, 09:41:30 AM »
#1 is likely referencing the auto sub mechanic used when a team A player goes OOB in their team area.

Yeah, I get it now, although the wording of the question is very poor. It gives an affirmative statement that there are NO substitutions for Team A. But, for the purpose of this question, that can't be known until Team A 'regroups' on the field. Perhaps that happened, but we don't know that.
But, yes, because A21 went OB at his team area, ASAP, the Referee should assume the "iron cross" posture to notify everyone that Team A is, officially, making substitutions, either by B21 re-entering the field to enter a huddle or take a position in a team playing formation, or an actual replacement for A21 (or any other Team A player) enters the field for the same reason. Team B will, then, have 3-seconds after all Team A players huddle, or establish some kind of playing formation, to begin any substitutions they would like to make.

Isn't it amazing how it takes so many words to describe something that, on the field, we can recognize in fractions of a second? That is the nature of langauge. (Well, English, anyway. I don't know any others. Comprendes?  ;D)

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Re: 2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2024, 12:09:33 PM »
Disagree on 5. This is another form of intentional grounding and is simply loss of down at the spot of the foul.


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Re: 2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2024, 01:29:37 PM »
Yep, I think that’s right.

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Re: 2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2024, 03:14:12 PM »
Disagree on 5. This is another form of intentional grounding and is simply loss of down at the spot of the foul.

Yeah, that's right, of course. It was a pass to conserve time, not yardage, and when I think "conserve time," the first thing that comes to my mind is a backward pass thrown OB to conserve time, which has a distance component. Of course, a long time ago, so did ING. So, that's my 'excuse,' as poor as it is. Oddly enough, I got it right two questions later. Go figure. Well, the term "to conserve time" didn't appear in Q7, so that's probably why.

Reminds me of a play I had many, many years ago, when the QB for the home team was an acquaintance (son of a family friend), and I knew this guy was smart (he went on to West Point). With seconds to play in the first half, he gets pressured (before we had the "tackle box") and flings the ball to an unoccupied area, with about 6 seconds on the clock. I flag it for ING (conserve yardage). We penalize, and declare the ball ready, clock to start on the snap.  They snap, and he throws a TD pass as time expires.
As we are walking off the field, I kept asking myself, "Was that to conserve yardage, or time?" When we got into the dressing, I checked the rule, and then told my crew I think I should have gone with 'conserve time,' and started the game clock on the ready. They all said, nah, he was just about to get buried, and he was just throwing the ball away to keep from losing 10 yards. Hmm. Well. OK.
We go back out for the second half, and this QB was warming up right where we were walking to get onto the field, so I said, "Hey, Ty, when I called the intentional grounding, what was going through your mind when you threw the ball?" Without the slightest hesitation, he said, "Oh CRAP, we're outta time outs."  ::)   (He didn’t say crap - the other word.🙂)
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Re: 2024 Pre-season S-B Quiz 3
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2024, 09:42:36 PM »
Answers are in.

1. They say the ball is dead at the A-34. That is not necessarily correct. The ball is dead where it is beteeen the goal lines when it became dead, which is likely somehwere short of the A-34, but could be. But, I got the game clock wrong, for some mysterious reason. The game clock stops to spot the ball, then gets restarted on the referee's signal. And, you guys were right about the reason for the reference to substitutions.

4. They call this a false start, but, IMHO, it is encroachment. Potato/PotaHto.

6. The biggee. So, heel-to / toe-heel applies to a player going up as well as coming down. That is what I surmised from this question, and it is confirmed.
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