Author Topic: Never gonna happen dream play (Shaw hates these)  (Read 1933 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ElvisLives

  • *
  • Posts: 4438
  • FAN REACTION: +187/-187
  • The rules are there if you need them.
Never gonna happen dream play (Shaw hates these)
« on: May 28, 2025, 02:54:17 PM »
ANSWER THIS BY THE LANGUAGE OF THE RULES - NOT BY WHAT YOU MAY THINK MAKES SENSE.  ;D

4/10, B-10, 0:03 (4), A=20, B=20.
From a normal, legal, scrimmage kick formation, the ball is snapped to holder A12. Kicker A1 advances and kicks the ball being legally held by A12 at the B-17. The ball is blocked by a diving B99, and rebounds over A1's head. A1 turns quickly and recovers the ball at the A-19 (before B99 can rise to his feet). A1 sees A12 still kneeling in position at the A-17 and throws the ball to A12, who catches the ball while still in a holding posture (with a knee on the ground), then, instinctively, places the ball on the ground for a place kick. A1 advances and kicks the ball, which flies between the uprights and over the crossbar of the Team B goal (no game official makes a signal or sounds a whistle before the ball lands on the ground beyond B's end line).

Does the Team A crowd have reason to go wild?

Offline ilyazhito

  • *
  • Posts: 468
  • FAN REACTION: +14/-24
  • Without officials... it is only recess.
Re: Never gonna happen dream play (Shaw hates these)
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2025, 11:26:33 PM »
No. A-12 receives a pass while he is down, not the snap. This means that the exception that allows the holder to be on a knee but considered down does not apply. Therefore, the ball immediately becomes dead and none of the subsequent action counts. We proceed to extra periods.

Offline ElvisLives

  • *
  • Posts: 4438
  • FAN REACTION: +187/-187
  • The rules are there if you need them.
Re: Never gonna happen dream play (Shaw hates these)
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2025, 08:55:55 AM »
No. A-12 receives a pass while he is down, not the snap. This means that the exception that allows the holder to be on a knee but considered down does not apply. Therefore, the ball immediately becomes dead and none of the subsequent action counts. We proceed to extra periods.

That’s why I said to follow the language of the rules. There is NOTHING in the rules that says a player must receive the SNAP for the ball to remain alive if he has some part of his body other than hand or foot touching the ground, if he is in position to hold for a place kick, and there is a a player in position to make a place kick. A ball carrier could be running with the ball, then suddenly drop to the ground (behind the NZ),with another player in position to make a kick, and place/hold the ball for a kick. The ball would remain alive, and the player in position to make a kick could advance and kick the ball. Highly improbable and unlikely, but legal.
And, until the ball has crossed the NZ, there is no limit to the number of legal scrimmage kicks that may be made.
So, in the action I presented, as highly improbable and unlikely as it may be, there is nothing to prohibit A1 from throwing a forward pass to A12, who holds the ball for A1 to kick again.
If the Rules Committee wants to limit this to a player receiving the snap, they could easily edit the rules to do so. But, I like leaving the rules open to innovation. So, I say, leave it as it is.