Two yellows vs a straight red

[ncwingman]

Obviously we don't have cards in football, but watching some soccer got me thinking about a situation I had a few years ago and was wondering what other associations/states do as far as how this gets implemented.

A player can be removed from the game for picking up two UNS fouls (yellow cards) or a single egregious act (straight red). Does your location handle these situations differently as far as supplemental discipline?

A few years ago, I had a playoff game that was getting out of hand. The losing team had lost composure quickly as soon as they were down (and the coach led by example...). Multiple players were on the books with a first UNS foul, and in the 3rd quarter one of those players turned to an opponent and called him names that I shall not repeat here. The act itself was worthy of a straight ejection, but we ruled it a second UNS which achieved the same outcome for the situation.

Would you give him a "straight red" or would that have no practical difference at the end of the day?

[bama_stripes]

No difference here.  A DQ is a DQ, no matter the sequence.

FWIW: As an administrator, I have the ability to read the ejection reports for all sports.  For some reason, soccer has more than all other sports combined.  Anybody know why this is?

[NVFOA_Ump]

Hard "low tackles" in soccer generate yellow cards when they completely miss the ball and are viewed as egregious.  Most of the yellow cards that I have seen in my grandson's games fit this description.  2 of them and you're sitting down.  They are more common than I would have expected until I started watching soccer regularly.

[AlUpstateNY]

Hard "low tackles" in soccer generate yellow cards when they completely miss the ball and are viewed as egregious.  Most of the yellow cards that I have seen in my grandson's games fit this description.  2 of them and you're sitting down.  They are more common than I would have expected until I started watching soccer regularly.

By rule Unsportsmanlike Conduct is a "Non-Contact Foul" at the NFHS Football level, that includes Disqualification, for either players or coaches. There is NO OPPORTUNITY for repeat instances, by the same parties.  Any continuance of the behavior, after the fact, is included in the initial violation and would be included in the Game Report.

[NVFOA_Ump]

By rule Unsportsmanlike Conduct is a "Non-Contact Foul" at the NFHS Football level, that includes Disqualification, for either players or coaches. There is NO OPPORTUNITY for repeat instances, by the same parties.  Any continuance of the behavior, after the fact, is included in the initial violation and would be included in the Game Report.

The NFHS rules that I am familiar with require 2 USC's prior to a DQ unless I'm missing something?

[Ralph Damren]

9-4-1,2,3j personal fouls require disqualifican. There has been discussion of booting a player after two PFs, but the consern of tracking ALL PFs such as RTP, RTK, horsecollar, chop block, facemask  etc. would be an added requirement to us and unnessary to permote safety as ,if deamed flagrant , can result in DQ .

[bama_stripes]

The NFHS rules that I am familiar with require 2 USC's prior to a DQ unless I'm missing something?

Typically, yes.  However, if the USC is deemed to be flagrant, the offender can be DQed immediately.

[Ralph Damren]

Good point, 'Bama, the "two & you're thru" rule was added in 1995 but with the provision on "one can git 'ya done" if bad enough  . I can only recall it occurring once in my games. A big ole' Bubba had a deflected pass go into his hands  and had a clear road to paydirt. BUT he dropped it  . He then bounced his helmet as high as the goalpost and yelled a word begininmg with F....(and it wasn't football). He then  begin to scream at their QB with a mouthful of....@#$%&. One  but a  .

At halftime his coach informed me that "Bubba was a all-star from the eyebrows down".  .  I responded that he needed to get his brain to talk to his mouth.

Under Rule 1-7 (state's rights) many states have a game(s) suspension if a player gets tossed.

Monday Morning Triva : Maine adopted a one game suspension for all sports if a player is DQed. IN WHAT SPORT WAS THIS FIRST APPLIED. 

[Covid 22]

I am going to guess the most physical of all high school sports.  Girl's Basketball.

[MAFBRef]

I think there are parallel discussions occurring here. The original was about soccer and red and yellow cards. Al has gently nudged us over to American football and discussion of USC in that sport.

[sczeebra]

I am going to guess the most physical of all high school sports.  Girl's Basketball.

Hockey 🏑🏑🏑

[Ralph Damren]

No one has gut 'er yet,guys. HINT : 'tis a fall sport.

[AlUpstateNY]

No one has gut 'er yet,guys. HINT : 'tis a fall sport.

Thank God for the common (rule) sense that has helped prohibit NFHS Football from this claim.

[GA Umpire]

No one has gut 'er yet,guys. HINT : 'tis a fall sport.

I will guess "Soccer".  It is a fall sport in Maine, but Spring sport in southern states.

[NVFOA_Ump]

I think there are parallel discussions occurring here. The original was about soccer and red and yellow cards. Al has gently nudged us over to American football and discussion of USC in that sport.

Actually, the discussion was about the parallels between soccer "2 yellows" vs "1 red" and football "2 USCs" vs "1 egregious" foul.  The original question asks about a game in "quarters" (that's football).  I'm not sure what Al was commenting on but it had nothing to do with the original question that was based on the similarities in the 2 sports.

[Ralph Damren]

I will guess "Soccer".  It is a fall sport in Maine, but Spring sport in southern states.

Thanks for trying, GA Ump, but while soccer is a fall sport in Maine ;it wasn't the answer. HINT II : this sport has NO planned contact.

[NVFOA_Ump]

Thanks for trying, GA Ump, but while soccer is a fall sport in Maine ;it wasn't the answer. HINT II : this sport has NO planned contact.

OK then, my guess is golf! 

[MAFBRef]

Cross country.

[BetweenTheLines]

It has to be volleyball🏐🏐🏐!

[Ralph Damren]

Cross country.

MAFBRef wins the trophy. While few of us would consider cross crountry to be contact sport, Shortly after our state association  passed a rule back in the 1990's, this occurred.

SCENE: Two rival schools had a cross country meet. Each had a runner who was near the best in the state.

ACT I : The two runners quickly grabbed the lead and the 'trash talk' begain.

ACT II : The trail soon goes into the woods (there's plenty in Maine).

ACT III: Once in the woods, the talk turned to shoving and bumping.

ACT IV : A fistfight broke out between the two.

ACT V : Teammates and spotters broke it up and the race had a 'do-over' sans their two leaders 

The DQ sent those two out of the next meet/match/whatever and they had to learn to have better manners when in the woods. 

[GA Umpire]

Thanks for trying, GA Ump, but while soccer is a fall sport in Maine ;it wasn't the answer. HINT II : this sport has NO planned contact.

The only fall sports not guessed are:
football, field hockey, and cheerleading.

Which is it, Ralph?

[GA Umpire]

The only fall sports not guessed are:
football, field hockey, and cheerleading.

Which is it, Ralph?

Or is there another fall sport in Maine not listed in Google?

[Ralph Damren]

 

Or is there another fall sport in Maine not listed in Google?

See post# 19 for full details  .  The real Mainer fall sport in Maine is deer hunting and sometimes a hunter will shoot another hunter that he felt looked like a deer.  For the other seasons:
  Winter...snowmobile racing, both the snowmobile and driver have plenty of antifreeze
   Spring...watching lake ice melt, need to be sure not to be on ice when it does.
    Sumer...waitingh for football rule books to arive.

[AlUpstateNY]

Actually, the discussion was about the parallels between soccer "2 yellows" vs "1 red" and football "2 USCs" vs "1 egregious" foul.  The original question asks about a game in "quarters" (that's football).  I'm not sure what Al was commenting on but it had nothing to do with the original question that was based on the similarities in the 2 sports.

Whether a game is played in quarters, innings, periods or other designations should have nothing to do with "Crossing RED lines". Unless you enjoy repeated, and continual instances of unacceptable and egregious conduct, and/or unacceptable behavior. Each sport has designated RED lines, that are designed to deal with egregious behavior that equate to immediate termination of participation, that may well be subject to post event reviewable and  post event additional consequences.

Allowing such (RED line) misbehavior opportunity to repeat only encourages repetition, and/or opposition reaction.

[GoodScout]

There was a great episode of Letterkenny where the lead characters started using yellow and red cards in everyday life. When someone was starting to annoy them or waste their time they'd pull a yellow card out of their shirt pocket to warn them. If the annoying behavior continued, they'd pull out the red card.

Thinking of adapting this to my everyday life.