Auburn-Oklahoma substitution process to deceive?

[zebrastripes]

https://x.com/ESPNCFB/status/1969507075404275856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1969507075404275856%7Ctwgr%5Ed31b497f388a1f1598012b7cdfb1ff4796cddbf8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege-football%2Foklahoma-tricky-touchdown-against-auburn-divides-referees-commentators

Really hard to believe an SEC crew didn’t catch/penalize this.

[ElvisLives]

https://x.com/ESPNCFB/status/1969507075404275856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1969507075404275856%7Ctwgr%5Ed31b497f388a1f1598012b7cdfb1ff4796cddbf8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege-football%2Foklahoma-tricky-touchdown-against-auburn-divides-referees-commentators

Really hard to believe an SEC crew didn’t catch/penalize this.

I don’t disagree, but it also says something about the team. They knew what they were doing.

[zebrastripes]

The sideline reporter interviewed Heaser and he was quoted as saying,

 "All I can say about that is we confirmed there were 11 people on the field, and (Sategna) technically never left the field of play," McGrath relayed Heaser's response. "That’s why it wasn’t called.”

First of all, since when is the media given access to the officiating crew during the game? Secondly, is there some sort of technicality under NCAA rules whereby this can be ruled a legal play? I’d expect semi-competent high school crews to flag this.

[ElvisLives]

While the crew may deserve some form of repurcussion, I just wonder why teams aren’t held accountable when they consciously and deliberately play outside the bounds of the rules and sportsmanship. Same with the team that punted on a kickoff, knowing fully well it was illegal. Where is their conferences on holding those teams accountable for plain and simple cheating?
What a bunch of crap.

[CaesarVincentius]

https://x.com/SECOfficiating/status/1969600029544370629?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Looks like a few (or all) of them just won an unexpected free weekend. Like one of my past coordinators has said, “you can have bad judgement, but if you mess up rules or enforcement you’ll be cutting grass next weekend”.

[Imperial Stout]

This was also a case where the offensive coordinator claimed he got pre approval from the crew beforehand that the play was legal

[DallasLJ]

This was also a case where the offensive coordinator claimed he got pre approval from the crew beforehand that the play was legal

  That is even worse then missing it in real time.  Ugh.

[zebrastripes]

Eight on-field officials, a replay official, and a command center and no one thought to say over O2O “Hey guys, this doesn’t seem right, let’s talk about it.”?

Not absolving the OU coaching staff for knowingly committing a rules violation, but coaches at that level will do whatever they can get away with. Unfortunately, a weekend off for some (or all) members of this crew is completely fair based on this oversight. The touchdown was literally the difference in the game, mathematically speaking.

[ElvisLives]

…but coaches at that level will do whatever they can get away with.

And that’s OK? Cheating is tolerated, but making a mistake is not?
That is what is wrong with America.

[zebrastripes]

And that’s OK? Cheating is tolerated, but making a mistake is not?
That is what is wrong with America.

It’s definitely not okay and I’m not suggesting that it is. But I’m not going to clutch my pearls over a highly paid SEC football staff attempting to gain an advantage by breaking the rules. Color me unsurprised at that notion. Coaches run college football and I don’t expect there to be any serious consequences for them.

[ElvisLives]

Coaches run college football and I don’t expect there to be any serious consequences for them.

You are not wrong, and that condition is a truly sad state of affairs for this country. Even sadder, the transfer portal and NIL have only exacerbated the this awful condition.

[bama_stripes]

The touchdown was literally the difference in the game, mathematically speaking.

I’ve been hearing this for two days from my Aubie friends.  It’s inaccurate.

We don’t know what would have happened on that drive after the 15-yard penalty.  Maybe OK scores anyway.  Maybe they are forced to punt and Auburn turns it over deep in their territory or throws a pick-six.

What we do know is that despite that officiating error, Auburn had the lead in the 4th quarter.

[Etref]

I’ve been hearing this for two days from my Aubie friends.  It’s inaccurate.

We don’t know what would have happened on that drive after the 15-yard penalty.  Maybe OK scores anyway.  Maybe they are forced to punt and Auburn turns it over deep in their territory or throws a pick-six.

What we do know is that despite that officiating error, Auburn had the lead in the 4th quarter.

👍

[Imperial Stout]

The AR created after the 2023 hideout incidents, added in 2024:

9-2-2-IX

1/10 @ A40. Team A snaps from the left hash, opposite their team area.
A81 is flanked out to the left side of the formation and goes in motion
back toward the ball. After the snap, A21 takes the handoff and runs for
3-yards behind the left tackle. A81 never breaks stride and is inside the
hash when the ball is declared dead and continues toward the Team A team
area simulating leaving the field. A81 sets near the sideline for a “hide-out”
pass. Team A does not substitute and just after the next snap, A12 throws a
TD pass to A81 who is running just inside the boundary. RULING: Team
A foul at the snap, unsportsmanlike conduct for unfair tactics: using the
substitution process to confuse opponents. Live-ball foul. Penalty: 15 yards
from the previous spot.

seems to now be missing in 2025. The play is illegal as ever, of course, though more of a curiosity on how something like this pops up and then disappears.

[Birddog]

The AR created after the 2023 hideout incidents, added in 2024:

9-2-2-IX

1/10 @ A40. Team A snaps from the left hash, opposite their team area.
A81 is flanked out to the left side of the formation and goes in motion
back toward the ball. After the snap, A21 takes the handoff and runs for
3-yards behind the left tackle. A81 never breaks stride and is inside the
hash when the ball is declared dead and continues toward the Team A team
area simulating leaving the field. A81 sets near the sideline for a “hide-out”
pass. Team A does not substitute and just after the next snap, A12 throws a
TD pass to A81 who is running just inside the boundary. RULING: Team
A foul at the snap, unsportsmanlike conduct for unfair tactics: using the
substitution process to confuse opponents. Live-ball foul. Penalty: 15 yards
from the previous spot.

seems to now be missing in 2025. The play is illegal as ever, of course, though more of a curiosity on how something like this pops up and then disappears.

That is very interesting, I didn't realize that particular AR was removed, it was in the book for one year.  The play that triggered that particular AR was run by Ole Miss and wasn't flagged and also went for a TD, and run from the same field position and the receiver was near Team A sideline, it was identical to the AR.  I sent Shaw an email asking about it and he responded that the video really didn't show the whole play but did say said that the substitution process to deceive was illegal.  Also mentioned to be looking for a new AR next year, which happens to be the one above that only stayed in the book for one year. 

[dammitbobby]

This year the book seems rife with typographical errors and (apparently) omissions.

[ElvisLives]

I would bet my next game fee the fact that the AR was omitted was due to yet anther editing error for the 2025 rule book. We have already noted several other occurrences of other editing issues, so it is quite reasonable to believe this is just another one, especially considering that Shaw acknowledged the illegality of this action, with his words echoing the language of the AR.