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Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« on: November 23, 2025, 11:51:40 AM »
Just curious so taking an informal survey.

If you officiate in a state where your use 5 officials for regular season games but then transition to 7 for any or all playoff games please state what that policy looks like for your state. Include the state you work in. Again, this would just be for states that use 5 for regular season games and then transition to 7.

Examples: 7 are used for the finals for all classes
                 - or - 7 are used for semi-finals and finals for our two largest classes
                 - or - 7 are used for all playoff games for all classes

Probably best to not use class names such as 6A or 5A because those names aren't the same everywhere.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2025, 12:01:26 PM »
Massachusetts has 8 divisions:

Regular season and first 2 rounds of playoffs:
- 5 on-field officials
- Official clock operator

Playoffs - Semifinal and Finals
- 7 on-field officials
- Official lock operator
- 4 officials for chain crew both semi-finals and finals
- Official clock operator

All officials are board trained, certified, and registered with the MIAA
All semi-finals played on neutral sites with turf fields
All finals played at Gillette Stadium
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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2025, 02:15:47 PM »
In Texas, the number of crews of 7 increases significantly when playoffs start, but crews of 5 are still utilized considerably in the lower 6 (of 12) classes (two of those classes being six-player football). In the first week, I had a crew of 5 for a lowest class 11-player game, then a crew of 7 the next day for a mid-class 11-player game. As playoffs progress (6 total rounds for 11-player), crews became virtually exclusively crews of 7 for 11-player football. All 10 11-player championship games are crews of 7, and both 6-player championship games are crews of 5.

This is a function of the institutions having the ability to ‘agree’ on the officials, which includes the crew size. There is no written policy that would prevent them from using a crew of 4, like, maybe, the parents of both head coaches, for any game. Yes, that’s an extreme exaggeration, but it IS a technical possibility.
In reality, also as playoffs progress, the geographical locations of the games migrates toward the central population corridor in Texas (known as the I-35 corridor). Hard to blame the school financial officers, but, the teams may decide to use officials that neither team has used during the season, but they’ll find a geographically convenient crew, to keep down the travel cost. Those in the more distant parts of Texas tend to get left out of the mix. The 6 largest officiating centers in the corridor got between 24 and 61 games, each, in week 1, with proportionally similar numbers in week 2. The 6th largest city in Texas that is in one of the most extreme locations geographically, received ZERO games in both weeks 1 and 2. Some folks try to argue that they “obviously” aren’t very good to not get any playoff games. Baloney (or the other “B” word you may choose to use). I know many of the officials in that city, and they are every bit as good as officials in the ‘corridor.’ (FYI, I am in a semi-remote area, neither in the ‘corridor,’ nor in one of the two or three really remote locations.) There are highest level officials in virtually all of those locations. They are simply penalized by geography. The state governing agency is, technically, a political subdivision of the State of Texas, meaning that we, as officials, have virtually no ability to change the policy. To get the agency to voluntarily change the policy to ‘spread the wealth’ would be next to impossible. It would take an act of the Legislature to force such a change. With immigration, school finance, agriculture, business economics, etc., I doubt we could find even one legislator willing to get involved with this issue. So, nothing changes.
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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2025, 03:07:41 PM »
Last year, NC switched to using 7 man crews starting in the 3rd round (of 6 in most divisions, 5 in the biggest and smallest). Previously, it was for the semi-finals and finals only. Officials as clock operators are highly encouraged, but not required, I believe (although, I could be wrong on that).

Regular season and first two rounds are all 5 man crews, with optional clock operators.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2025, 04:14:48 PM »
5/Reg, 7/ quarter, semi & final on the field. 1 ECO gameclock for all playoffs add playclock operator for all finals.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2025, 10:06:16 PM »
In Texas, the number of crews of 7 increases significantly when playoffs start, but crews of 5 are still utilized considerably in the lower 6 (of 12) classes (two of those classes being six-player football). In the first week, I had a crew of 5 for a lowest class 11-player game, then a crew of 7 the next day for a mid-class 11-player game. As playoffs progress (6 total rounds for 11-player), crews became virtually exclusively crews of 7 for 11-player football. All 10 11-player championship games are crews of 7, and both 6-player championship games are crews of 5.

This is a function of the institutions having the ability to ‘agree’ on the officials, which includes the crew size. There is no written policy that would prevent them from using a crew of 4, like, maybe, the parents of both head coaches, for any game. Yes, that’s an extreme exaggeration, but it IS a technical possibility.
In reality, also as playoffs progress, the geographical locations of the games migrates toward the central population corridor in Texas (known as the I-35 corridor). Hard to blame the school financial officers, but, the teams may decide to use officials that neither team has used during the season, but they’ll find a geographically convenient crew, to keep down the travel cost. Those in the more distant parts of Texas tend to get left out of the mix. The 6 largest officiating centers in the corridor got between 24 and 61 games, each, in week 1, with proportionally similar numbers in week 2. The 6th largest city in Texas that is in one of the most extreme locations geographically, received ZERO games in both weeks 1 and 2. Some folks try to argue that they “obviously” aren’t very good to not get any playoff games. Baloney (or the other “B” word you may choose to use). I know many of the officials in that city, and they are every bit as good as officials in the ‘corridor.’ (FYI, I am in a semi-remote area, neither in the ‘corridor,’ nor in one of the two or three really remote locations.) There are highest level officials in virtually all of those locations. They are simply penalized by geography. The state governing agency is, technically, a political subdivision of the State of Texas, meaning that we, as officials, have virtually no ability to change the policy. To get the agency to voluntarily change the policy to ‘spread the wealth’ would be next to impossible. It would take an act of the Legislature to force such a change. With immigration, school finance, agriculture, business economics, etc., I doubt we could find even one legislator willing to get involved with this issue. So, nothing changes.

I bet if officiating chapters in a particular broad geographic region in Texas banded together and refused to work week 9 and 10 of the regular season - up to and including week 1 or more of the playoffs - unless things were done differently, I bet you'd see some changes happen pretty dang quick. We do have power, we do have leverage, we're just afraid to use it.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2025, 07:00:54 AM »
Maine : regular season games - 5 officials
            post season 8-man- 7 officials
            all state championship games - 7 field officials
                                                          4 chain crew
                                                          2 clock operators

                                   6 games...13  z^ /game = 91 guys....260 MAFO members.....if you want to work, you probably can  ^talk

The field assignments are made by our state secretary while discussing with each charter's  (4) assigignor.. The membership of each chapter determines thenumer of field officials they will send. The coach imput has changes over the years. When I first started in Maine, the two championship coaches would meet, flip a coin to see who could pick 3 vs 2 for the loser (5 man  crews). I worked some of those games and always felt ackward as it felt like "the we's and "the they's" . We later changed to each coach in the state could vote for 12 officials, the assignments were then made for those officials with the most votes. Today, each coach in the state can list two officials that should not work their games. I'm told that most responses are : "works at our school,  dad to our QB, dates my ex-wife" etc. Haven't heard any gripes yet. You can only work a state championship game every two years. Seems to work...if it ain't broke, don't fix 'er.
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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2025, 07:45:15 AM »
Alabama:

Regular season: 5 or 7 (home team option)
1st Round playoffs: 5 or 7 (mutual agreement of schools)
Subsequent rounds: 7

All playoff rounds use registered officials for ECO & PCO, plus an alternate official who supervises the chain crew.  Schools can use their regular chain crews until the finals, or they can hire 4 registered officials from their local association.

The responsibility for assigning playoff officials is delegated to the 8 district directors, with each director being given a roughly equal number of game to assign, based on geography and the teams involved.  No official will call a game involving one of his local association’s contracted teams.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2025, 09:48:57 AM »
PA:

The state playoffs are 7 man.  Some district semi finals and finals are worked into the state bracket.  PA uses a mix of 6 and 5 man across the state, depending on where you are and the number of officials available in the area.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2025, 08:47:28 AM »
Tennessee:
5 man+ game clock operator for regular season. Although there are exceptions if officials are available and a school chooses to use 7 + game clock operator. Some schools play for play clock operators.
1st Round of playoffs: 5 man + clock operators (game and play)
2nd Round- Finals- 7 man + clock operators.

This is true for all classes. 6 public classes and 3 private classes.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2025, 09:12:46 AM »
PA:

The state playoffs are 7 man.  Some district semi finals and finals are worked into the state bracket.  PA uses a mix of 6 and 5 man across the state, depending on where you are and the number of officials available in the area.

6 man is weird to me. You have two deep wings and no back judge, right? More eyes is better, obviously, but it feels like deep middle coverage has a bit of a hole.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2025, 09:31:26 AM »
6 man is weird to me. You have two deep wings and no back judge, right? More eyes is better, obviously, but it feels like deep middle coverage has a bit of a hole.

The last crew of 6 I worked was an NAIA playoff game assigned by the (then) SWC. For exactly the reason mentioned, the SWC coordinator at that time had developed a modification for crews of 6 that he called the “lopsided 6.” (If I recall correctly, the deep wings were a B and an F.) Instead of working outside the sideline opposite the pressbox, the B would take a position between the numbers and the hash mark, and would rotate to the sideline, if needed, or toward the middle of the field, if needed, as the play developed. The F stayed off the field on the pressbox side.
All in all, it was a reasonable modification. Maybe not enormously better than the standard crew of 6, but it was clearly helpful for deep passes in the center of the field.
You won’t find it in print, anywhere, I don’t believe.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2025, 09:54:53 AM »
6 man is weird to me. You have two deep wings and no back judge, right? More eyes is better, obviously, but it feels like deep middle coverage has a bit of a hole.

It's actually not as big of a deal as you think.  Rarely do we have anything deep middle where nobody has a look.  Deep wings can cover those passes.
Punts are a little awkward in terms of who is taking the returner, but overall it's fantastic for HS football.
We've been doing it since 98 in our area.

Big advantages:
--More eyes on passing game.
--You have actual pass keys instead of everything being zone.
--Deep wing mechanics are mostly transferable to NCAA mechanics for those who do both.
--Always have goal line / pylon coverage on every play.
--LOS officials don't have to run down field.  U doesn't have to run to LOS.
--LOS can take forward/backward and completed beyond/behind and relieves the R/U of these duties.
--Plays/action to the sideline have 2 people and the LOS doesn't have to fish players out himself.
--Field goals always have 2 officials under the uprights without having to take someone from another position.

Kinda like Elvis mentioned, the PIAA had a weird few years where they put the FJ on the hash and called him a Back Judge and everyone hated it so we went back to SJ/FJ being on the sideline.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2025, 10:40:08 AM »
MN went this year to 7 for semi's and finals. Five for everything else.

I am not a fan of different mechanics than you've ever worked being brought into the biggest games and with random guys assigned to your crew that you don't work with.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2025, 04:01:11 PM »
Vermont:
5 officials during the regular season.
Quarterfinals: 5 officials
Semifinals and Finals: 7 officials

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2025, 11:27:16 AM »
MI - 5 or 7 during regular season(depends on the league)
5 for the first three rounds of playoffs
7 for semi's and finals
4 on the chains for finals

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2025, 04:25:48 PM »
Maybe I’m in the minority but I guess I don’t see the point in using a certain set of mechanics the whole regular season and then adding on two extra officials for the postseason with limited/no experience using crew of 7 mechanics. It seems like the postseason isn’t the optimal time to be changing up mechanics that crews have worked with the whole season.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2025, 04:28:01 PM »
In FL we use 5 during regular season....however, there are a few schools that request and pay for 7 officials during the regular season....all playoff games from first round to finals us 7 officials plus clock operator and, if necessary, play clock operator

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2025, 09:14:32 PM »
Maybe I’m in the minority but I guess I don’t see the point in using a certain set of mechanics the whole regular season and then adding on two extra officials for the postseason with limited/no experience using crew of 7 mechanics. It seems like the postseason isn’t the optimal time to be changing up mechanics that crews have worked with the whole season.

To me, in football, adding officials rarely causes problems.  The worst thing that can happen is you have two guys watching the same thing you would in 5 man out of habit.
It's not like baseball where there are many opportunities for screw ups (like no umpire being at a base or no umpire watching a fly ball) when moving from 2 to 3 to 4 umpires.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2025, 07:42:38 PM »
California - 5-officials regular season through second round of playoffs (some exceptions to use 7-officials in "big" regular-season games). Use 7-officials for all sectional semis and finals and all state regionals/championships. When using 7 officials in playoffs, we use 3 (usually young) officials for chain crew.

Exception for 8-player football... we stick with 5-officials through the end.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2025, 08:25:35 AM »
To me, in football, adding officials rarely causes problems.  The worst thing that can happen is you have two guys watching the same thing you would in 5 man out of habit.
It's not like baseball where there are many opportunities for screw ups (like no umpire being at a base or no umpire watching a fly ball) when moving from 2 to 3 to 4 umpires.

I don't totally disagree with this.  I certainly agree we change a lot more mechanics in baseball when we add guys as far as rotations and such.  I think one of the bigger issues though is you may get stuck with a guy who doesn't understand how the crew works, doesn't maybe have the same philosophies on how big a foul should be to actually throw on it etc.  There are some definite differences in responsibilities, but like you said those can be overcome.  Having some guy out there gunning flags on every nit picky non impactful thing would totally screw my crew's mo-jo though....

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2025, 01:00:42 PM »
The recipe for 7-man officiating differs from 6,5 & 4-man crews. IT's IMPORTANT to know them and disscussed fully in your pre-game. We Mainers equate this to parboiling an opossum vs grilling a burger.....there's a big difference.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2025, 01:17:03 PM »
So those of you who switch from 5 to 7, is it difficult to adjust?  Personally, I feel a crew of 6 would be just as effctive with two deep sideline guys/gals.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2025, 08:48:30 AM »
I have seen 2 wings standing side by side at the goal line in championship games. Guys revert to their normal mechanics as short wing in high energy moments and forget they are working deep wing. Best solution, if it is in the tool box, is to assign guys who work both college and high school as deep wings in the 7 man games. They already know the mechanics and have worked the season transitioning from short wing on Friday to deep wing on Saturday. Not every state or board has this luxury, but I’ve seen it work very successfully.

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Re: Survey - 7 officials for playoffs
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2025, 09:56:02 AM »
So those of you who switch from 5 to 7, is it difficult to adjust?  Personally, I feel a crew of 6 would be just as effctive with two deep sideline guys/gals.

I have not notice any difficulty in switch from 5 to 7 during the season.  Granted I am a U so my assignment doesn't change much at all. However I have not seen any issue with our short wings switching from 5 to 7.   They appreciate not having to divide their attention. Most of the guys who get the assignment for the deep wings have been BJs on 5 man crews so again are generally use to being deep.