Scrimmage Kick - Illegal Touching Violation

[White_Ranger]

I have a couple of scenarios that I just want to be clear on, and if there is any rule or ARs specifically to support, help would be much appreciated.

1) Scrimmage kick. Player A bats ball at the B2 backwards and is recovered by A at the B5. Where does the ball go? At the spot A touched, or the spot of recovery?
2) Scrimmage kick. Player A bats ball backwards at the 1/2 yard line but his foot is on the goal line as he is touching the ball which has not broken the plane. A recovers at the B5. Where does the ball go?

[Rob S]

Each time A touches the ball is a spot of illegal touching (a violation). So you're going to give the best spot (for B). And with respect to the goal line, only the ball matters (not the feet like the NFL). So, in both cases, it'll go to the B5.

Unfortunately I don't see any ARs in 6-3-2 that cover this... just the actual rule 6-3-2-a "No inbounds player of the kicking team shall touch a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone before it touches an opponent This is illegal touching, a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation". Ultimately, you can have multiple violations on the same play.

[Kalle]

Well, the language of the rule says that each touching of the ball by team A before team B has touched it is a violation, so in your cases you have two violations, both allowing team B to take the ball at the spot of that violation, just like if you had two fouls with different results after enforcement. Team B will typically select the most advantageous spot. A.R. 2-12-2 clarifies that in NCAA it is only the location of the ball that matters, not the player touching the ball. Also remember rule 2-11-4-a which says that touching always precedes possession and control.