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TASO dues
« on: July 17, 2026, 05:10:40 PM »
What is the deal with TASO FOOtBALL charging a education fee but we still have to pay full price for regional and online clinics?

Baseball charges an education fee but state and online clinic is free.

Something stinks........

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Re: TASO dues
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2026, 05:56:08 PM »
Money for regional clinics goes back to the chapter. The online fee is just greed and encouraging people to attend in person. If online was free no one would show up to state.

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Re: TASO dues
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2026, 07:42:04 PM »
Works in baseball.

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Re: TASO dues
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2026, 07:52:23 PM »
Supposedly, TASO loses money every year on what they pay for, for the state meeting... hence, a fee, to help recoup those costs, and to help make it "more affordable" to attend the state meeting.

 I talked to a fair amount of people there this year, and there was a LOT of grumbling about the fee, especially for the few from the more far-flung reaches of the state, where it's economically not practical to attend. for many officials. 

I think a reasonable compromise (since they're never going to give up the free pot of money they figured out they could squeeze out of officials) would be that if you leave within 200 miles of the state meeting site, you pay the "fee" to help offset the costs that TASO says they hemorrhage every year for their part in putting on the state meeting, and if you live outside that, you don't have to pay it, and you can instead put that towards your regional clinic fee. 

The best solution is to determine why TASO can't stay solvent on state meeting costs.

related thread: https://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=17632.0

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Re: TASO dues
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2026, 11:26:41 AM »
I’m not sure that is necessarily so [TASO loses money every year…on the state meeting]. Hopefully not. The grumbling you may have heard has always been associated with the state meeting and always will be.
But to be fair, the economic squeeze is on all sides.. TASO football division, hosting chapters, and individual members... all making value choices versus costs.

TASO must cover considerable costs associated with the venue (auditorium, meeting rooms, side rooms for auctions, and any numerous additional equipment and venue charges for AV, lunch for participants, etc ), as well as website registration, transportation for guest speakers, and administrative costs for district and chapter officers, among other expenses. Also, TASO presently is not Texas sales tax exempt---not sure why.

The host chapter retains any profit or incurs any losses from all side events related to the meeting (e.g., golf, run, social events, silent auction, 50/50, etc.). Organizing early and moving early to secure outside sponsors is key. Most chapters, if not all, are Texas sales tax exempt and can avoid tax costs when running these events. Also, by TASO policy, if a chapter hosts it may not offer a rules clinic which may hurt some chapters that use the clinic as a revenue stream to offset other chapter operating costs. Hosting the state meeting then means work to cover the offset.

The state meeting is never going to satisfy everyone, and neither are the annual fees. Since we have “paid for it” through our dues, the decision to attend often comes down to two competing ideas: the “value of access”—the chance to hear quality teaching, network with others, and get perspective; and (2) the “opportunity cost”—what that time and money could be used for instead. When people are honest about what matters most to them and what they personally expect to gain, the different levels of enthusiasm make more sense. The state meeting means more to some people than others, but I think it comes down to being honest about what’s truly valuable. I think TASO is trying to balance that. 

For some members, the state meeting is valuable because it offers access to expertise, connections, and a structured chance to learn or confirm best practices. Even if the information isn’t entirely “new,” the credibility of hearing it from a respected source and the opportunity to reframe what you already know can still be worth the time and cost. For those who have been involved for a long time, the content may be less likely to introduce completely unfamiliar concepts, but it may still provide value through reinforcement, refinement, and motivation—especially if it helps them apply what they already know more effectively in their own setting.

At the same time, not everyone weighs that type of value the same way. Some members measure value more directly in practical economic terms: the cost of time away from work or family, the expense of participation (location, distance, hotel, food, time), and whether the return justifies those costs. For those people, the chance of hearing something genuinely new may be the key factor that makes the meeting “worth it.” If that chance feels low—because they’ve been through many trainings already—then the meeting can feel like a poor tradeoff compared to other opportunities such as local chapter events or independent learning. That can be also be some source of the grumbling.

I think getting involved is the key. District Directors should seek and hear feedback on what the state meeting should be and be open to changing the agenda every year to create a new value question… and the membership should be providing that feedback to them. Certainly, the state agenda has changed the past couple years away from numerous targeted topical and positional breakouts as it was for years to much more TASO business and awards, motivational speakers, and coaches’ roundtable discussion. That definitely can affect the value equation for people to gauge regarding the education fee.

I don’t know the economics behind the online rules clinic, but web development and hosting costs are not cheap.  And I think there is an implied encouragement fee included to induce attendance at TASO instructor led education and interaction with others because after all, we are in the people engagement business in officiating.


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Re: TASO dues
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2026, 01:19:30 PM »
I’m not sure that is necessarily so [TASO loses money every year…on the state meeting]. Hopefully not. The grumbling you may have heard has always been associated with the state meeting and always will be.
But to be fair, the economic squeeze is on all sides.. TASO football division, hosting chapters, and individual members... all making value choices versus costs.

TASO must cover considerable costs associated with the venue (auditorium, meeting rooms, side rooms for auctions, and any numerous additional equipment and venue charges for AV, lunch for participants, etc ), as well as website registration, transportation for guest speakers, and administrative costs for district and chapter officers, among other expenses. Also, TASO presently is not Texas sales tax exempt---not sure why.

The host chapter retains any profit or incurs any losses from all side events related to the meeting (e.g., golf, run, social events, silent auction, 50/50, etc.). Organizing early and moving early to secure outside sponsors is key. Most chapters, if not all, are Texas sales tax exempt and can avoid tax costs when running these events. Also, by TASO policy, if a chapter hosts it may not offer a rules clinic which may hurt some chapters that use the clinic as a revenue stream to offset other chapter operating costs. Hosting the state meeting then means work to cover the offset.

The state meeting is never going to satisfy everyone, and neither are the annual fees. Since we have “paid for it” through our dues, the decision to attend often comes down to two competing ideas: the “value of access”—the chance to hear quality teaching, network with others, and get perspective; and (2) the “opportunity cost”—what that time and money could be used for instead. When people are honest about what matters most to them and what they personally expect to gain, the different levels of enthusiasm make more sense. The state meeting means more to some people than others, but I think it comes down to being honest about what’s truly valuable. I think TASO is trying to balance that. 

For some members, the state meeting is valuable because it offers access to expertise, connections, and a structured chance to learn or confirm best practices. Even if the information isn’t entirely “new,” the credibility of hearing it from a respected source and the opportunity to reframe what you already know can still be worth the time and cost. For those who have been involved for a long time, the content may be less likely to introduce completely unfamiliar concepts, but it may still provide value through reinforcement, refinement, and motivation—especially if it helps them apply what they already know more effectively in their own setting.

At the same time, not everyone weighs that type of value the same way. Some members measure value more directly in practical economic terms: the cost of time away from work or family, the expense of participation (location, distance, hotel, food, time), and whether the return justifies those costs. For those people, the chance of hearing something genuinely new may be the key factor that makes the meeting “worth it.” If that chance feels low—because they’ve been through many trainings already—then the meeting can feel like a poor tradeoff compared to other opportunities such as local chapter events or independent learning. That can be also be some source of the grumbling.

I think getting involved is the key. District Directors should seek and hear feedback on what the state meeting should be and be open to changing the agenda every year to create a new value question… and the membership should be providing that feedback to them. Certainly, the state agenda has changed the past couple years away from numerous targeted topical and positional breakouts as it was for years to much more TASO business and awards, motivational speakers, and coaches’ roundtable discussion. That definitely can affect the value equation for people to gauge regarding the education fee.

I don’t know the economics behind the online rules clinic, but web development and hosting costs are not cheap.  And I think there is an implied encouragement fee included to induce attendance at TASO instructor led education and interaction with others because after all, we are in the people engagement business in officiating.

I sat in on the chapter officers/directors meeting last year, and this was discussed (the training fee increase), and as I recall, that is what was given as the primary reason. I do know when we hosted, for at least one thing, TASO insisted on using "their" vendor from DFW for certain things, when we had identified cheaper local contractors (I think it had to do with running cables for AV setup/teardown, or something similar.) I believe TASO's vendor was ~10k more than the local one, for whatever the service was.

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Re: TASO dues
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2026, 06:38:02 PM »
I'm hearing that next year will be two days of training sessions.  I can remember when it was like that, so you got more bang for your buck.  I always learn something new at the state meeting and have never missed one.  I get to meet guys like those of you on here in person and that alone is worth the cost.

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Re: TASO dues
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2026, 09:58:25 AM »
I'm hearing that next year will be two days of training sessions.  I can remember when it was like that, so you got more bang for your buck.  I always learn something new at the state meeting and have never missed one.  I get to meet guys like those of you on here in person and that alone is worth the cost.

A large crowd is around Friday so why not offer stuff Friday evening, end it by 8:30 or so?
Seem to recall College Station hosted a State meeting a number of years ago and there was some breakouts Friday evening and a couple of optional events Sunday morning, as I recall, something with the NFL development program.
Although, that was before hotels and local city and county hotel taxes went ape and got so expensive to stay over.
Also recall long in the past, Dallas chapter hosted in Frisco and had a sort of mini on-field clinic as a Friday evening optional pay event.
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